The USA is just lost...

Doc67 · Post by **Doc67** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:21 am

Anchor Moy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:35 am
Personally, I just want to find a group of people who aren’t completely nuts,
Good luck with that.

Hey, you've found us!

Big Daikon · Post by **Big Daikon** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:37 am

xandreu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:13 am I remain convinced that Trump has somehow been placed there by Russia or China

May be another foreign power backing Trump.

The billionaire casino owner Sheldon Adelson, an ardent pro-Israel conservative, is expected to donate at least $100m to boost Donald Trump’s 2020 re-election efforts and Republican congressional candidates this fall, say three Republican fundraisers familiar with Adelson’s initial plans.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... s-congress

Post by **Clutch Cargo** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:50 am

xandreu wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:13 am .... how is it possible that it boiled down to a choice between Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump in 2016? Are we really expected to believe that these two candidates were the best the American democratic system had to offer?

There has to be something else going on behind the curtain.

Again, I simply don't believe it and there must be something else going on behind the curtain.

Dunderhead · Post by **Dunderhead** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:01 am

All presidential candidates are first selected by the faceless men and women who control the central banks and the most powerful corporations in the world and the military. These people do not take orders from politicians, they give the orders, politics is Kabuki theater to divide the common folks and boy is it effective. Elections don't matter, I don't know how people can believe that the most powerful people on the planet take orders from politicians.

ExPenhMan · Post by **ExPenhMan** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:25 am

I'm not in this discussion but I have just minutes ago seen two reviews of a new book by top journalist Kurt Andersen:

EVIL GENIUSES
The Unmaking of America: A Recent History

How did the U.S. collapse so quickly? It was eaten away from the inside, going from a democratic world power of staggering wealth in 1980 to a decrepit authoritarian feudal state with a lopsided economy, its poor and middle class chipped away at for decades until in 2016, the nation was finally handed over to a cartel of the ultra-rich.

. . .

Americans need an explainer, a history book written like a police procedural that would track the murder of a country, an economic and moral decline that began just when the U.S. was becoming more fair and equal.

Kurt Andersen, a famed New York journalist with a rare talent for explanatory work, has written that book, which is so good, it should be assigned reading. “Evil Geniuses: The Unmaking of America” should be read in every democracy, including Canada which has turned worryingly American in aspects of its politics.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/politi ... ntion.html

From the NYT review:

Starting here at the end is one way of revealing the immensity of Andersen’s project, which is to explain everything that went wrong. Andersen sets out to narrate a complex, many-layered history of how a band of rich people, corporate executives and political right-wingers, aided and abetted by gullible “useful idiots” in the media and the political left, transformed the nation into a casino where only they ever win.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/book ... iuses.html

OK, bye bye.

TWY · Post by **TWY** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:30 pm

We undoubtedly have a huge amount of problems in the USA. There are no easy answers (much as some like to believe) to most of them.

The best advice is to focus on your family and local community and make it the best you can. It is unfortunate that the political class in the USA has failed to the extent it has. Its also unfortunate that our health care system has been so corrupted that it is now the leading cause of personal bankruptcy and our health outcomes lag other similar nations. From a quality of life perspective its hard to argue that the country has improved in the past 20 years.

When the population no longer believes the politicians are working to improve their lives, you leave open the door for the likes of Trump. And yes, its a sad commentary of the USA's political system that people chose between "corrupt" and "idiot" in the last election. Its my opinion that the people had the right idea but the wrong man.

We need an outsider that can clearly communicate with the people and is able to work with Congress to start to fix things. And by clearly communicate - I mean to tell the truth. Higher taxes, more regulations in some areas, less regulation in others, huge changes in our health care system (with the winners being poorer people and the losers the entrenched interests in the form of lower earnings
- by administrators, insurance companies, drug companies, lawyers, and yes even doctors - especially specialists). A clean up of the corruption in the federal government and also at the state level. And a focus on our children's futures even if at the expense of the present. A clear admission that both the Iraq war and our appeasement of China have been huge failures. And a renewed commitment to our democratic allies around the world towards the rules based international system. Until/Unless that happens I expect us to continue with the stagnation that has gripped our country since the turn of the century.

The good news is that it is possible. We have the resources. We just lack the required leadership.

Chuck Borris · Post by **Chuck Borris** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:51 pm

Society where everybody can freely own a gun, where police can shoot you for no reason, where there is money to fund the wars, but no money for free health care or free education isn't somewhere you want to live? Em I communist?

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:57 pm

TWY wrote:We undoubtedly have a huge amount of problems in the USA. There are no easy answers (much as some like to believe) to most of them.
....
The good news is that it is possible. We have the resources. We just lack the required leadership.

Government writes all the rules. They decide who pays more or less in taxes. They regulate medical care. They define what is corruption and what is the greater good. They pick the winners and the losers in the system. Not the made up straw men that the media would have everyone hate.

And your solution is ... more government to fix government?

The founders of this country had a deep held belief that government is the problem. Government’s job is to grow and make everyone dependent on government, and not on themselves. Everyone demands that government fix all their problems, while pointing the finger at everyone else for why their problems aren’t yet fixed.

That’s the basic problem as I see it in the USA.

Wishing for outside leadership to dismantle government bureaucracy? Someone to drain the swamp of professional politicians?

Professional politicians and bureaucrats won’t go willingly. They’ll use every trick to convince people that more government is needed to solve problems.

Kampuchia Crumbs · Post by **Kampuchia Crumbs** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:10 pm

phuketrichard wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:29 am

Interesting Map..... appears to show US military presence in Cambodia? Other than the marine guards at the embassy (I assume they are there) is anyone aware of US military presence elsewhere in Cambodia. The map made me curious.

BTW, I don't remember seeing marines at the front desk area when I was at the US embassy 2 years ago, I am just assuming they are elsewhere on the grounds.

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:10 pm

Chuck Borris wrote:Society where everybody can freely own a gun, where police can shoot you for no reason, where there is money to fund the wars, but no money for free health care or free education isn't somewhere you want to live? Em I communist?

In the Kingdom of Wonder, healthcare is free for Khmer. Education is also free up to the tenth grade. Citizens are not allowed to own firearms. Drunk police shoot for no reason, but criminals aren’t stopped. And the military recently required a public donation in order to acquire trucks, so chance of a sustained war is impossible.

Does that make Cambodia the idea paradise where you want to live and raise your kids?

In communist nations such as the former Soviet Union, People’s Republic of China, and North Korea police routinely arrest and kill citizens, as well as go to war, invade other countries, and even occupy other countries and declare them part of their own country.

What communist are you talking about?

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