Cambodian Govt to Propose Law Against Inappropriate Dress

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explorer wrote:
John Bingham wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:18 pm
explorer wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:36 am Most Cambodian girls are conservative in the way they dress, and would never want to dress to look sexy, but many wear shorts.
I'd beg to differ. Times have changed, even 15 years ago people dressed much more conservatively. University students wore uniforms and the women's skirts were almost down to their ankles. Young women today are not affected so much by that wartime austerity and moralism - where the only women who dressed differently or were even out late at night were prostitutes.
Young women these days of course wear shorts a lot and whatever other outfits they want to. Lie anyone they are interested in looking good, fashionable and even attractive. Those girls in your photos all look high school age. :shock:
I agree, in the past girls dressed more conservatively.

There are also girls who dress to look sexy, not shown in these photos. Some of them are just ordinary girls trying to look sexy. Others are prostitutes, trying to get customers.

There are many girls who would never want to dress to look sexy, but wear shorts. Examples are shown in the photos.
What is your definition of "sexy" then? The "intention" of the girls (which you don't know, you're not them) doesn't come into play here. According the the law being drafted, the girls you just posted would be deemed too sexy because their shorts are way above the middle of the thigh. You're this proving Rozz's point. The years ago you never would have seen teens (or others) wearing shorts like that, but now it's quite common both in the city and countryside.
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explorer wrote:Are you still denying that they wear shorts.

Do you still believe
rozzieoz wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:30 pm It’s absolute nonsense.
That wasn’t the bit that was nonsense.

But since you seem so proud of your evidence, posting photos of young girls to prove your point is ridiculous.

Do you have their permission to use their photos on an open forum?
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Cambodian Women Are Posting Photos Wearing ‘Sexy’ Clothing to Protest Proposed Law That Would Police Women’s Outfits
Cambodia is considering draft legislation that would ban women from wearing clothing deemed “too short” or “too see-through.”
Sammy Westfall
August 7, 2020, 1:21pm
Women in Cambodia have taken to social media to protest a proposed law that would police women’s clothing in the name of keeping “public order.”

According to Reuters, the draft legislation called the “Law on Public Order” would regulate men's and women’s dress, banning women from wearing clothing deemed “too short” or “too see-through.” According to the outlet, the law would take effect next year if approved by Cambodia’s legislature.

“It’s good to wear something no shorter than the middle of the thighs,” Cambodian interior ministry secretary Ouk Kimlek told the Thomson Reuters Foundation last week when discussing the draft.

The proposed bill would also ban men from going out in public shirtless and would also moderate how much noise people can make.

Kimlek and other supporters of the bill insist that these measures are necessary for maintaining social order and “preserving national dignity.”

“It’s not entirely a matter of public order, it’s a matter of tradition and custom,” Kimlek said.

But the conservative legislation has sparked backlash in Cambodia, particularly among women, who have started posting photos of themselves wearing clothing that would be deemed inappropriate under the new law alongside the hashtag #mybodymychoice in Khmer.
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John Bingham wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:35 am
explorer wrote: Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:25 am Some of them are just ordinary girls trying to look sexy. Others are prostitutes, trying to get customers.
You need to get out of this virgin/whore dichotomy, it's not the middle ages anymore. :roll:
What's " Dichotomy "? Bingham, your mode of expression sucks! 99,9% of people (inc. academics etc.) dont have a clue of the meaning.
What you want to proof? How Literate or smart you are??? try to get a life! and have a beautifull day!
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alexvanlaar wrote:What's " Dichotomy "? Bingham, your mode of expression sucks! 99,9% of people (inc. academics etc.) dont have a clue of the meaning.
What you want to proof? How Literate or smart you are??? try to get a life! and have a beautifull day!
Sorry to disagree. ‘Dichotomy’ is on a list of words on the SAT, a test for college readiness. For basic literate functioning in society.

Here’s the definition.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dichotomy

Have you read an academic paper? Words and ideas are far more difficult than ‘dichotomy’. Words like dichotomy are usually included in the abstract, not even the main article.

John Bingham is right. Learning more basic vocabulary will help with self expression in life. Otherwise, it’s like the average Khmer trying to express their thoughts. Limited English vocabulary, forced to used ‘bar talk’, to communicate.

Stating that Academics don’t know what ‘dichotomy’ means is beyond funny.
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This law proposal is attracting a lot of attention in the international press and also on social media, largely because it bucks the global trend toward greater gender equality and equal rights. Cambodia is presented as an authoritarian old-fashioned conservative country.

Although the law would also prohibit men from going shirtless, the major revolt is coming from Cambodian women. The majority of the Cambodian population is youthful, and authorities may have underestimated the force of the reaction to the proposed law.

Cambodian women post swimwear photos to protest law on how they dress
The law would prohibit women from wearing anything deemed "too short" or "too see-through".
Aug 6, 2020, 9:58 pm SGT

PHNOM PENH (REUTERS) - Cambodian women have rallied on social media to condemn a proposed law governing the way people dress in public, including by posting images of themselves in swimwear and skimpy outfits, with a petition also set up to block the move.

Billed as necessary to preserve Cambodian tradition, the law would prohibit women from wearing anything deemed "too short" or "too see-through" and has drawn criticism for being vague and encouraging a culture of victim blaming.

The draft legislation, which will take effect next year if approved by several government ministries and the national assembly, would also ban men from going out shirtless in the socially conservative South-east Asian country.

"Congrats, we're going back to 1960s," artist Lisa Mam posted on Facebook.

Painters, filmmakers, writers and musicians were among those criticising the law, with some questioning the role of the ministry for women's affairs as restrictions on women's appearance increase.

Multiple spokesmen from the ministry declined to comment or did not respond to requests.

In recent years, actresses and singers have been increasingly targeted by the government over their attire, with some facing bans on performing.

There was a public outcry when a woman was jailed for six months in April on pornography and indecent exposure charges for wearing "provocative" outfits while selling clothes over Facebook livestream.

But news of the proposed law has taken the discussion to a new level, said Ms Eng Chandy, a programme manager at the Gender and Development for Cambodia charity.

"It is rare for a draft law to be shared like this, giving us the chance to discuss it as a society," she told the Thomson Reuters Foundation.

"The reaction on social media is very positive: people from all parts of society are talking about gender equality."

An online petition condemning the proposed law had almost 14,000 signatures as of Thursday (Aug 6), to the surprise of its author, recent high school graduate Tan Molika.

"Originally, I had no plans with the petition other than to raise awareness," Molika said.

"Turns out that everyone is so against it to the point where I've gotten a few requests for me to submit the petition to the government."

Women rights groups fear the new law could put women at further risk of sexual harassment and violence by fostering a culture of victim-blaming.
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Bar girls in Phnom Penh could be affected by the proposed law change. Photo: YouTube

By SAMBATH MY
AUGUST 10, 2020


Women would be victims of Cambodia’s modesty law

Nations in the global South, particularly in Southeast Asia, have embraced the economic and technological aspects of globalization but tend to resist its cultural influences.

Cambodia is responding to these influences by reconstructing the narratives of nationalist culture and traditions and restricting what women can wear.

Contemporary Khmer culture and traditions have their roots in the traditional code for women called the Chbab Srey, which was written in the 19th century. It was written as a poem detailing the key characteristics of “virtuous” and “unvirtuous” women.

The Chbab Srey was incorporated in the education system in the 1960s before the civil wars and in the 1990s. The inclusion of the Chbab provoked debate between women’s rights organizations and the state in the 2000s.

This debate was evident in the Shadow Reports on the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Violence Against Women (CEDAW) prepared by a group of women’s rights organizations, the National Reports on CEDAW prepared by the state, and the Concluding Comments for Cambodia issued by the Committee on CEDAW of the United Nations.

In my view, such a legal provision is harmful rather than beneficial to women and girls. It is not necessary because it won’t protect women’s dignity, as ostensibly stated. Several provisions of the current Criminal Code, which do need to be firmly enforced, are sufficient to protect women’s dignity.

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CEOCambodiaNews wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:41 pm Cambodian women post swimwear photos to protest law on how they dress
examples please!
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It has been mentioned that it may have some involvements between some of the wives of the high officials of the country. They are that of the class of the country and I would say very conservative in their ways and dress. I once knew of a Khmer army officer some years ago, if he and is wife happened to pass where I was, he would call by for a few pleasant words of the English language, he wanted so much for his wife to learn more of the language, and more so to get involved with our conversations, unfortunately she was more shy or worried she may say the wrong words and so on, in her way she said “hello” and so on, but avoiding much converse. I think she thought if she did say something not quite right, she would make that of a situation for Bong, so she was very dignified and did all the lady likes that would be expected of her, with her husband being in the position of what he was, whenever they would call he would go around the car and open the passengers door for her to exit the car, first thing then they would do is go to the boot of the car, to get the case of beer they would present to me. I had never seen her out of Khmer dress, neither had I seen him out of uniform, both very respected people.
I also think such countries like India with most ladies wearing traditional clothes has the sari, although again we will see the difference in class, and I am tending to lean towards that this new law is more toward this than modesty dress. Will such as bar girls and KTV workers be accepted because they will work behind closed doors?
Dressing for the part, now Cambodia sees their future with Chinese investors, business is the key word and dress appropriately comes alongside. But will there be a divide, such has government and clerical workers, apposed too factory workers and farmers. Will we see the first mentioned with uniformed type like the bank staff of the country and the labour class in traditional pyjamas? That is what we are seeing today, so its related to casual wear and fashion clothes. Is it in some relationship to impress the new investor that its people do not copy that of western dress?
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newkidontheblock wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:50 pm Stating that Academics don’t know what ‘dichotomy’ means is beyond funny.
Remimds me of the time I used the word segue at work. My supervisor informed me that the word was so difficult "even the other teachers didn't understand it."

(This was at an English school in Japan.)
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