O dear, Protests in Bangkok
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bg day today
so far peaceful
having his say: Progressive Movement co-founder Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit speaks to reporters as he appeared at Sanam Luang last night.
so far peaceful
having his say: Progressive Movement co-founder Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit speaks to reporters as he appeared at Sanam Luang last night.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/ge ... kISBbSGGGEAfter gathering at Sanam Luang yesterday, thousands of anti-government protesters plan to march to Government House today with a "big surprise" in store when they get there, said Parit "Penguin" Chiwarak co-leader of the United Front of Thammasat and Demonstration (UFTD).
Addressing the crowds on the rally stage at 8pm yesterday, Mr Parit said the protesters who camped out at Sanam Luang last night would rise early to prepare for a march to Government House at 8am.
Mr Parit said the UFTD would highlight its demands for Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha and his cabinet to resign, as well as for members of independent agencies, the Constitutional Court and the Election Commission, to step down. Also, the group demanded that every section of the constitution be amended and the institution reformed, Mr Parit said, referring to the monarchy. He believed Gen Prayut was being isolated politically and the government would not last beyond the end of the month, and if Gen Prayut refuses to quit, more people will join the protests.
In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
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Had to come here to get info on the protests. I have thought for some time that Thai Visa has been compromised with regards to what they allow on the site now. Just a government mouthpiece.
Well done you guys on here for highlighting the issues with the students.
Let's wait for the announcement of a spike in cases amongst students to turn the public against them.
Well done you guys on here for highlighting the issues with the students.
Let's wait for the announcement of a spike in cases amongst students to turn the public against them.
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Sorry, I meant to put highlighting the students problems and concerns
Re: O dear, Protests in Bangkok
sure, but it will only be the foreign students that pass the virus on
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Seems it went off for 2 days with no violence>
September 24 is a deliberately provocative day for the next protest — it’s Mahidol Day and King Vajiralongkorn is due to arrive that day for a 19-hour visit to Thailand
September 24 is a deliberately provocative day for the next protest — it’s Mahidol Day and King Vajiralongkorn is due to arrive that day for a 19-hour visit to Thailand
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/19/asia ... index.htmlAnti-government protesters in Thailand declared "victory" on Sunday, after handing a list of demands for monarchy reform to Bangkok authorities -- an explosive and unprecedented move in a country that reveres the king.
Thousands gathered in the nation's capital for this weekend's rallies, which began on Saturday and were part of a protest movement that has been gaining momentum since July.
Student leader and activist Panasaya "Rung" Sitthijirawattanakul, 21, took to a public stage late Saturday to directly address Thailand's King Vajiralongkorn -- an act that, under strict national laws, could be punishable by 15 years in jail if her comments are considered defamatory to the monarchy.
On Sunday protesters also installed a "people's plaque" near the Thai Royal Palace, commemorating their movement as the "vanguard of democracy."
"Here, the people declare that this place belongs to the people, not the King," the plaque reads. Protest leaders said it was a replacement for another plaque that had marked the end of monarchic rule in 1932, but went missing in 2017.
Thai Prime Minister Gen. Prayut Chan-O-Cha on Sunday "expressed his gratitude to officers and all the people who have jointly cooperated to end the situation peacefully," according to a statement from his official spokesman Anucha Burapachaisri.
"Both the protesters and officers have avoided confrontation and instigation which could lead to an unnecessarily tense situation," the statement read.
In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
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Meanwhile Germany (this building look very familiar)
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How many Thai speakers you think are here?
In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
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the plague
gone already
gone already
BANGKOK — A replica of a plaque commemorating a democratic revolt installed on Sunday at Sanam Luang by leaders of an anti-government protest went missing as of Monday.
The plaque appeared to be removed some time after 10pm, when Sanam Luang was closed off from the public, and before 5am, when the gates reopened. It is unclear who ordered the removal; city workers interviewed at the scene said they had no knowledge of the operation.
The removal of the new plaque may not come as a surprise to many protesters, however. Police officials on Sunday said they considered the plaque illegal, since it was placed there without permission from the authorities.
In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
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https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Turbul ... 4&si=44594
Thailand protesters claim victory with letter to the king's council
Leader calls for national strike on Oct. 14 before protesters disperse peacefully
Student leader Panusaya Sithijirawattankul handed a letter on Sunday morning to a senior police officer at the Privy Council Chambers. It included demands for the ouster of Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha's military-backd government, constitutional amendments and reform of the monarchy. © Reuters
APORNRATH PHOONPHONGPHIPHAT and MASAYUKI YUDA, Nikkei staff writersSeptember 20, 2020 14:03 JST
BANGKOK -- In a ceremony laden with historic symbolism, Thai student leaders laid a plaque early this morning outside the Grand Palace in Bangkok and delivered a list of demands to the nearby Privy Council Chambers.
A plaque commemorating the overthrow of absolute monarchy in Siam, as Thailand was known 1932, was removed from Royal Plaza in 2017, and replaced with a royalist version. No official investigation was conducted into who was behind the act of political vandalism, which was one of a number of incidents.
The letter was delivered to a senior police officer by Panusaya Sithijirawattanakul, one of the most prominent student leaders to emerge during mounting protests in recent weeks.
The officer promised to convey the letter to the Privy Council, an unelected body dominated by retired military officers that provide counsel to the king.
Addressed directly to King Maha Vajiralongkorn, and signed by the student-led United Front of Thammasat and Demonstration (UFTD), the short letter repeated earlier demands for the resignation of Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha and his government; redrafting of the constitution by an elected body, including the sections relating to the monarchy; and reform of the monarchy according to a 10-point UFTD outline made public in August. The letter made clear that it was advocating reform not the abolition of the monarchy, and was co-signed by "Thai people who refuse to be just dust.
"We have won this mission," said Parit Chiwarat, a leading activist commonly known as Penguin."Finally, commoners like us can send a letter to the king."
"Next time when you hear the national anthem, raise your three fingers," Parit told the crowd, referring to distinctive salutes and regalia mostly younger people have recently adopted as peaceful rebukes to the old royalist order.
"When you hear the king's anthem, you don't have to stand up," said Parit. "Please tie a white ribbon in front of your house to let them know that you salute democracy."
Parit told the crowd that there would be more protests, with the next scheduled for Sept. 24 outside parliament. He also called for a national strike on Oct. 14.
"Submit your vacation plan to your bosses in advance," he said. "We will stop working on Oct. 14 to paralyze Thailand. Then [the prime minister] will know the truth -- that we are the people who move the country's economy forward"
"Today I declare a war on dictatorship and bureaucracy," said Parit, exhorting them to close Siam Commercial Bank (SCB) accounts. King Maha Vajiralongkorn is the largest private shareholder in the bank.
"Let's ban SCB nationwide," said Parit. "We don't know if this will be our last fight or not -- what we know is that it is a fight we will win."
Parit Chiwarak, who goes by the nickname Penguin, was released from arrest during another major protest at Democracy Monument on Aug. 16. (Photo by Masayuki Yuda)
Undaunted by sporadic rain, Bangkok on Saturday night saw by far its largest demonstration since a coup in 2014 installed a military government and put a lid on free speech.
Police claimed that only about 18,000 people turned up, but organizers and the press were in no doubt the figure was much higher.
"About 100,000 attended, "Panusaya told reporters. "The turnout is proof of people's support for our demands," she said.
Police and parked buses have been deployed around the Grand Palace in Bangkok to ensure protesters are kept at bay. © Reuters
Protesters in recent weeks have openly called for a free debate on a bold slate of pro-democracy issues -- including for the first time reform of the formerly sacrosanct monarchy.
The organizers ignored a police order yesterday afternoon to disperse, and a smaller hardcore slept out overnight on the 12 hectare expanse that is used for major royal cremations and other ceremonies.
A march to Government House on Sunday morning was also originally scheduled, but organizers late on Saturday night said there were new plans without giving details.
Police meanwhile erected a razor wire barricade across Phan Fah bridge, a choke point between Sanam Luang and Government House that was the scene of violent clashes during political protests in May 1992.
All the protests in 2020 have so far peaceful and without serious incident.
This weekend's protest was organized by the United Front of Thammasat and Demonstration, or UFTD, an activist group at Thammasat University. It began there early on Saturday afternoon despite officially being denied access to Thammasat University's historic Tha Phra Chan campus located between Sanam Luang and the Chao Phraya river.
Student leader Panusaya Sithijirawattanakul broke a major taboo in Thai society when she read out a 10-point agenda on Aug. 10 for reform of Thailand's once sacrosanct monarchy. (Photo by Masayuki Yuda)
Among other demands, the UFTD has tabled 10 reforms of the monarchy. Panusaya read the proposed changes out during a rally on Aug. 10 at another Thammasat University campus at Rangsit in northern Bangkok.
These included revocation of the law of lese-majeste, a reduction in public spending on the royal family, and a clearer distinction between royal and public assets.
The brazen demands broke a longstanding taboo on public criticism of the monarchy and stunned many, including some pro-democracy advocates.
"I agree with the 10-point demand for the monarchy to be under the constitution," Panithan Chanviboon, a 33-year-old company employee from Bangkok told the Nikkei Asian Review yesterday. "I also want the government to resign -- it is incapable of running the country."
Panithan said he used to see things differently and had joined the rally to make amends. "I want to redeem myself for being one of those people who called for coups to get rid of corrupt politicians," he said. "This is my way of repaying back to the country."
The Aug. 16 protest was organized by Free People, an activist group. Its organizers focused on three demands: dissolution of both chambers of parliament; rewriting contentious parts of the constitution; and an end to official harassment that inhibits people from exercising their fundamental rights.
Political awareness has unquestionably been raised by the recent protests. Hundreds of academics have offered support and welcomed more debate, and celebrities made appearances yesterday. Secondary school students, many of whom will vote in the next general election due in 2023, have taken to wearing white ribbons and giving three-fingered salutes as expressions of silent rebuke to the government.
Access to Royalist Marketplace, a private Facebook group that openly discusses the role of the monarchy, was restricted on Aug. 24 following a legal submission by the Ministry of Digital Economy and Society. The group had already garnered over a million subscribers. A replacement Facebook group, Royalist Marketplace Talaat Luang, was immediately set up and has already attracted over 1.38 million members.
Student protesters laid a plaque in Bangkok near the Grand Palace on the morning of Sunday Sept. 20: "This country belongs to the people." The ceremony followed an overnight demonstration nearby calling for the ouster of the military-backed government and reform of the monarchy. © Reuters
Although he resides mainly in Germany, the king has been very much in the public eye recently, both at home and abroad. On Sept. 2, he reinstated Sineenat "Koi" Wongvajirapakdi as his royal noble consort after abruptly stripping her of the position in October 2019. She was the first to be elevated to the position in about a century when the king turned 67 in July 2019. A few months earlier, the king married for the fourth time, and Queen Suthida Bajrasudhabimalakshana remains his main consort.
According to the Royal Gazette, the official journal in which laws and promotions are announced, the new army chief in October will be Gen. Narongphan Jitkaewthae, one of the king's favorites. His trusted predecessor, Gen. Apirat Kongsompong will become a lord chamberlain in the royal household after his retirement and is expected to wield considerable influence on the king's behalf.
Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha attempted to dampen public enthusiasm for this weekend's rally by playing up the COVID-19 threat. "When you gather in crowds, you are creating an enormous risk of new transmissions, and with that you also create enormous risks to the livelihoods of tens of millions of fellow Thais," the former army chief who staged the 2014 coup said in a televised speech on Thursday. "Any major flare-up of infections will lead to terrible consequences and even worse economic destruction the likes of which we have never seen."
But many of the youngsters see the government as the bigger problem. "The economy will thrive if we can truly establish the foundation of democracy," Somsom, a 20-year-old Thammasat student told Nikkei. She was sitting under an umbrella with two friends who asked not to be identified, but said they had come to demand constitutional reform and freedom of speech.
Thailand protesters claim victory with letter to the king's council
Leader calls for national strike on Oct. 14 before protesters disperse peacefully
Student leader Panusaya Sithijirawattankul handed a letter on Sunday morning to a senior police officer at the Privy Council Chambers. It included demands for the ouster of Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha's military-backd government, constitutional amendments and reform of the monarchy. © Reuters
APORNRATH PHOONPHONGPHIPHAT and MASAYUKI YUDA, Nikkei staff writersSeptember 20, 2020 14:03 JST
BANGKOK -- In a ceremony laden with historic symbolism, Thai student leaders laid a plaque early this morning outside the Grand Palace in Bangkok and delivered a list of demands to the nearby Privy Council Chambers.
A plaque commemorating the overthrow of absolute monarchy in Siam, as Thailand was known 1932, was removed from Royal Plaza in 2017, and replaced with a royalist version. No official investigation was conducted into who was behind the act of political vandalism, which was one of a number of incidents.
The letter was delivered to a senior police officer by Panusaya Sithijirawattanakul, one of the most prominent student leaders to emerge during mounting protests in recent weeks.
The officer promised to convey the letter to the Privy Council, an unelected body dominated by retired military officers that provide counsel to the king.
Addressed directly to King Maha Vajiralongkorn, and signed by the student-led United Front of Thammasat and Demonstration (UFTD), the short letter repeated earlier demands for the resignation of Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha and his government; redrafting of the constitution by an elected body, including the sections relating to the monarchy; and reform of the monarchy according to a 10-point UFTD outline made public in August. The letter made clear that it was advocating reform not the abolition of the monarchy, and was co-signed by "Thai people who refuse to be just dust.
"We have won this mission," said Parit Chiwarat, a leading activist commonly known as Penguin."Finally, commoners like us can send a letter to the king."
"Next time when you hear the national anthem, raise your three fingers," Parit told the crowd, referring to distinctive salutes and regalia mostly younger people have recently adopted as peaceful rebukes to the old royalist order.
"When you hear the king's anthem, you don't have to stand up," said Parit. "Please tie a white ribbon in front of your house to let them know that you salute democracy."
Parit told the crowd that there would be more protests, with the next scheduled for Sept. 24 outside parliament. He also called for a national strike on Oct. 14.
"Submit your vacation plan to your bosses in advance," he said. "We will stop working on Oct. 14 to paralyze Thailand. Then [the prime minister] will know the truth -- that we are the people who move the country's economy forward"
"Today I declare a war on dictatorship and bureaucracy," said Parit, exhorting them to close Siam Commercial Bank (SCB) accounts. King Maha Vajiralongkorn is the largest private shareholder in the bank.
"Let's ban SCB nationwide," said Parit. "We don't know if this will be our last fight or not -- what we know is that it is a fight we will win."
Parit Chiwarak, who goes by the nickname Penguin, was released from arrest during another major protest at Democracy Monument on Aug. 16. (Photo by Masayuki Yuda)
Undaunted by sporadic rain, Bangkok on Saturday night saw by far its largest demonstration since a coup in 2014 installed a military government and put a lid on free speech.
Police claimed that only about 18,000 people turned up, but organizers and the press were in no doubt the figure was much higher.
"About 100,000 attended, "Panusaya told reporters. "The turnout is proof of people's support for our demands," she said.
Police and parked buses have been deployed around the Grand Palace in Bangkok to ensure protesters are kept at bay. © Reuters
Protesters in recent weeks have openly called for a free debate on a bold slate of pro-democracy issues -- including for the first time reform of the formerly sacrosanct monarchy.
The organizers ignored a police order yesterday afternoon to disperse, and a smaller hardcore slept out overnight on the 12 hectare expanse that is used for major royal cremations and other ceremonies.
A march to Government House on Sunday morning was also originally scheduled, but organizers late on Saturday night said there were new plans without giving details.
Police meanwhile erected a razor wire barricade across Phan Fah bridge, a choke point between Sanam Luang and Government House that was the scene of violent clashes during political protests in May 1992.
All the protests in 2020 have so far peaceful and without serious incident.
This weekend's protest was organized by the United Front of Thammasat and Demonstration, or UFTD, an activist group at Thammasat University. It began there early on Saturday afternoon despite officially being denied access to Thammasat University's historic Tha Phra Chan campus located between Sanam Luang and the Chao Phraya river.
Student leader Panusaya Sithijirawattanakul broke a major taboo in Thai society when she read out a 10-point agenda on Aug. 10 for reform of Thailand's once sacrosanct monarchy. (Photo by Masayuki Yuda)
Among other demands, the UFTD has tabled 10 reforms of the monarchy. Panusaya read the proposed changes out during a rally on Aug. 10 at another Thammasat University campus at Rangsit in northern Bangkok.
These included revocation of the law of lese-majeste, a reduction in public spending on the royal family, and a clearer distinction between royal and public assets.
The brazen demands broke a longstanding taboo on public criticism of the monarchy and stunned many, including some pro-democracy advocates.
"I agree with the 10-point demand for the monarchy to be under the constitution," Panithan Chanviboon, a 33-year-old company employee from Bangkok told the Nikkei Asian Review yesterday. "I also want the government to resign -- it is incapable of running the country."
Panithan said he used to see things differently and had joined the rally to make amends. "I want to redeem myself for being one of those people who called for coups to get rid of corrupt politicians," he said. "This is my way of repaying back to the country."
The Aug. 16 protest was organized by Free People, an activist group. Its organizers focused on three demands: dissolution of both chambers of parliament; rewriting contentious parts of the constitution; and an end to official harassment that inhibits people from exercising their fundamental rights.
Political awareness has unquestionably been raised by the recent protests. Hundreds of academics have offered support and welcomed more debate, and celebrities made appearances yesterday. Secondary school students, many of whom will vote in the next general election due in 2023, have taken to wearing white ribbons and giving three-fingered salutes as expressions of silent rebuke to the government.
Access to Royalist Marketplace, a private Facebook group that openly discusses the role of the monarchy, was restricted on Aug. 24 following a legal submission by the Ministry of Digital Economy and Society. The group had already garnered over a million subscribers. A replacement Facebook group, Royalist Marketplace Talaat Luang, was immediately set up and has already attracted over 1.38 million members.
Student protesters laid a plaque in Bangkok near the Grand Palace on the morning of Sunday Sept. 20: "This country belongs to the people." The ceremony followed an overnight demonstration nearby calling for the ouster of the military-backed government and reform of the monarchy. © Reuters
Although he resides mainly in Germany, the king has been very much in the public eye recently, both at home and abroad. On Sept. 2, he reinstated Sineenat "Koi" Wongvajirapakdi as his royal noble consort after abruptly stripping her of the position in October 2019. She was the first to be elevated to the position in about a century when the king turned 67 in July 2019. A few months earlier, the king married for the fourth time, and Queen Suthida Bajrasudhabimalakshana remains his main consort.
According to the Royal Gazette, the official journal in which laws and promotions are announced, the new army chief in October will be Gen. Narongphan Jitkaewthae, one of the king's favorites. His trusted predecessor, Gen. Apirat Kongsompong will become a lord chamberlain in the royal household after his retirement and is expected to wield considerable influence on the king's behalf.
Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha attempted to dampen public enthusiasm for this weekend's rally by playing up the COVID-19 threat. "When you gather in crowds, you are creating an enormous risk of new transmissions, and with that you also create enormous risks to the livelihoods of tens of millions of fellow Thais," the former army chief who staged the 2014 coup said in a televised speech on Thursday. "Any major flare-up of infections will lead to terrible consequences and even worse economic destruction the likes of which we have never seen."
But many of the youngsters see the government as the bigger problem. "The economy will thrive if we can truly establish the foundation of democracy," Somsom, a 20-year-old Thammasat student told Nikkei. She was sitting under an umbrella with two friends who asked not to be identified, but said they had come to demand constitutional reform and freedom of speech.
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