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And you don't think his eye is twitching at the very thought of her being interro... interviewed by the authorities??? :popcorn:
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She will be dead soon.
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Yes, the feds are coming in. Local LE is doing nothing. Feds should have come in last month.

A sample:
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US: Chicago on edge over Trump's federal forces, violence
Concern grows amid a surge in gun violence, protests and Trump plan to dispatch hundreds of federal agents to the city.
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Amid a surge in gun violence and protests sparked by the alleged killing of George Floyd, the United States' third-largest city is on edge, awaiting possible greater tension in the form of a plan by President Donald Trump to dispatch dozens of federal agents to Chicago.

The White House plan emerged days after a downtown protest over a statue of Christopher Columbus devolved into a chaotic scene of police swinging batons and demonstrators hurling frozen water bottles, fireworks and other projectiles at officers.

Then, on Tuesday in another neighbourhood, a spray of bullets from a car passing a gang member's funeral wounded 15 people and sent dozens running for their lives.

Tension in the city has climbed to a level that, if not unprecedented, has not been felt in a long time.

"I've never seen things worse in this city than they are right now," the Reverend Michael Pfleger, a Roman Catholic priest and longtime activist on the city's South Side told the Associated Press.

Much of the strain stems from the fact that it remains unclear exactly what the federal officers will do here. The plan seems to be a repeat of what happened in Kansas City, Missouri, where the administration sent officers to help quell violence after the shooting death of a young boy.

Mayor Lori Lightfoot sought to ease fears that the surge will resemble the kind of scene that unfolded in Portland, Oregon, where unidentified agents in camouflage have beaten unarmed protesters and stuffed some of them into unmarked vehicles.

Lightfoot said she has been told the US Attorney's Office will supervise the additional agents supporting the Chicago offices of the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

But given the longstanding animosity between city officials and Trump, leaders from the mayor on down worry that those promises will not hold up.
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Just a thought/brain snap.
How about we ban the T---mp word on this topic for a bit?
and a few other partisan terms/labels on both sides

Then maybe we could talk with much more relevence about the actual issues at hand - rather than cast it all in such personalised and partisam terms.
Apart from being so divisive, so much of this kinda stuff is just dumb. It gets in the way of both insightful analysis and of finding positive ways forward.
(this is a note to myself too, ps)

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SternAAlbifrons wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:05 amThen maybe we could talk with much more relevence about the actual issues at hand
Problem as I see it is that T**mp is both a reaction to and a catalyst for many of the problems we are seeing in the US.

(Still, worth a shot.)
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cant eliminate trump from the current equation.
he handled the protests/demonstrations and covid all wrong.

His heavy handed approcah/America is great, is just wrong for these times
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phuketrichard wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:53 am cant eliminate trump from the current equation.
he handled the protests/demonstrations and covid all wrong.

His heavy handed approcah/America is great, is just wrong for these times
OTOH, I wish Trump had be more forceful and decisive on COVID and the rioting.

(See the problem with trying to remove Trump from the discussion?)
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US Veterans on the ground comment the protest scene in Portland:

'That’s an illegal order': veterans challenge Trump's officers in Portland
Two veterans asked federal agents if they understood their oath to defend the constitution as teargas was fired
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The Black Lives Matter protest in Portland looked to be winding down last Saturday night when US marine corps veteran Duston Obermeyer noticed a phalanx of federal officers emerge from the federal courthouse.

They shot teargas at the crowd and pushed a protester to the ground with such force that, Obermeyer said, she slid 6ft across the pavement.

The 42-year-old had driven about 40 minutes from his home in the Molalla area for his first protest after hearing the many recent reports of federal personnel in tactical gear emerging from unmarked cars with automatic weapons to pick up protesters. His plan was to observe first-hand what was happening.

But in that moment, he said, he realized he couldn’t stand by and simply watch.

In a Pokémon hat and Superman T-shirt, and with a cotton mask protecting his face, the 6ft 4in, 275lb man walked up to the officers and asked whether they understood their oath to defend the constitution.
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This is #CaptainPortland @Tazerface16 getting attacked by FEDS but from a different angle, and who I believe is your fellow USNA alumni Duston Obermeyer getting attacked beside you #wallofvets #portlandprotest pic.twitter.com/kJWr2122Zm
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“They are not supposed to be coming and attacking protesters,” Obermeyer told the Guardian. “They didn’t even give any warning, there was no ‘hey you need to move’, ‘hey back up’. There was basically them walking out and assaulting a protester just to prove that they could.”

Just a few feet away, Obermeyer was aware of another man, US navy veteran Chris David, asking virtually the same question.

Despite both being graduates of the naval academy, David is 11 years older and thus the pair had never met. But after more than 50 consecutive days of anti-racism and anti-police brutality protests in Portland, following the killing of George Floyd by police officers in Minneapolis, and the recent deployment of militarized federal agents by Donald Trump, both veterans had decided simultaneously now was the time to start asking questions.

“We have the ability to see what is right and what is wrong. And what we both saw was wrong and we wanted to go out there and talk to those officers.”

Obermeyer also asked the officers whether they understand what an illegal order is, referencing the fact that military officers are required by law to disobey illegal or unconstitutional orders.

“Assaulting an unarmed protester who is exercising their first amendment rights is illegal, that’s an illegal order,” he said.

That’s when teargas was fired on the two men. When that didn’t deter them, Obermeyer said an officer tried to hit him with a baton, but he caught it and quickly pushed him back. Another officer repeatedly beat David with a baton, breaking his hand in two places, an injury that will require surgery on Monday. He was also sprayed in the face with a white chemical irritant that he said “felt like flaming gasoline.”
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He has produced precisely the desired effect. He has escalated the situation and branded his opponents as violent anarchists, though many are average people.
Soon all his opponents will be cast in this mold.
His campaign released an ad this week showing protestors beating police mercilessly. It was from Ukraine 2014, not Portland as claimed.
Could this be conditioning to prepare citizens for a praetorian guard that will prevent him being removed from office in January?
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