Palm oil causing heart attacks

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Kuroneko wrote: Thu May 21, 2020 6:59 pm
Jerry Atrick wrote: Thu May 21, 2020 6:26 pm
Kuroneko wrote: Thu May 21, 2020 10:44 am


Palm oil consumed as a dietary fat as a part of a healthy balanced diet does not have incremental risk for cardiovascular disease. Little or no additional benefit will be obtained by replacing it with other oils rich in mono or polyunsaturated fatty acids.

I'm very sure we've had a chat about this around seven or eight years ago, and you were not a fan of palm oil at that time.
I,m not a fan of palm oil at all and would never use the stuff, I use olive oil and Peanut oil. However I was responding to the ops palmoil concerns and asking for some citations showing his concerns. I cited a paper whose conclusion you quote above
as another perspective
"Palm oil consumed as a dietary fat as a part of a healthy balanced diet does not have incremental risk for cardiovascular disease. Little or no additional benefit will be obtained by replacing it with other oils rich in mono or polyunsaturated fatty acids.

As SternAAlbifrons points out Palm Oil seems to be contentious and the problem seems to be when it is in the oxidised state. He cites a couple of articles addressing this. so the op has a few articles to peruse.
I agree with Kuroneko - olive oil and peanut oil are my go to cooking oils. The statement re moderate use of palm oil is also scientifically valid. Destroying rain forests to allow more palm plantations is reprehensible and untenable in the long term. That said...
Please note that oil is considered rancid when oxidation has occurred. Oxidation is not exclusive to palm oil. Cooking at excessive temperatures, exposure to light, storage in open containers, etc. cause any oil to become rancid (oxidized). This applies to all edible oils (vegetable, olive, nut oils, etc.). One test in particular measures the Peroxide Value (PV - level of peroxide formation) present during initial oxidation. The results are given in millimoles per kg - with 0 mm/ kg being optimal.
All oils oxidize. Store oil in tightly sealed dark glass, ceramic, or stainless steel containers. Refrigerated storage is best in the kow.
Rancid oil = oxidized oil = improperly stored (or used) oil = discard it! Oxidized oil is not to be consumed by humans or animals!
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J21H21 wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 8:27 am Rancid oil = oxidized oil = improperly stored (or used) oil = discard it! Oxidized oil is not to be consumed by humans or animals!
There's a cue for the gutter oil vid :mrgreen:
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where can i buy peanut oil here, plz?
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fazur wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 10:15 am where can i buy peanut oil here, plz?
Lucky's at Sorya Mall and Bayon, but it can be a bit hit and miss, ie not always in stock.
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thank you.

what's the healthiest oil to use for cooking, in ur opinion?
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fazur wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 10:15 am where can i buy peanut oil here, plz?
I found peanut oil at Angkor Market, NR6, Siem Reap. I bought it about 3 months ago. I'll check availability tomorrow and update.
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If I can add my two cents:

Oils from seeds like corn, soy, raisin, cottonseed, sunflower, etc = BAD

Oils from pulp such as olive, avocado, coconut, palm = GOOD

There’s no such thing as “vegetable oil”, it’s either seed extracted with solvants and acids or pulp pressed from a few fatty fruits.


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fazur wrote:thank you.

what's the healthiest oil to use for cooking, in ur opinion?
Healthiest oil to cook with would be from animal lard. People used to boil animal fat to make their oil.

Second choice would be pulp oil like coconut oil or palm oil.

To avoid, all seed oils. Peanut, corn, soy, sunflower, etc. Ifs it’s seed extracted it’s unhealthy.


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Nicolas wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 11:31 am If I can add my two cents:

Oils from seeds like corn, soy, raisin, cottonseed, sunflower, etc = BAD

Oils from pulp such as olive, avocado, coconut, palm = GOOD

There’s no such thing as “vegetable oil”, it’s either seed extracted with solvants and acids or pulp pressed from a few fatty fruits.


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Doc67 wrote: Fri May 22, 2020 1:34 pmWhen it comes to an argument about food, I will always be on the side of the French guy...
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