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ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:27 am
Doc67 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:56 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:41 am We see lots of stats here in Cambodia on how many have been infected and how many have recovered and of course, how many have died from Covid. Has anyone seen the Cambodian stats on how many have died from taking the vaccine?
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Mother in law (only 65). AZ on Wednesday of last week. Coma on Thursday, died on Sunday. No pre-existing /underlying illnesses. Negative covid test on admission. Just coincidence according to you then??
Is that query for real?

Where does Doc even suggest coincidence? That’s putting words in someone else’s mouth.

Has it been established that she died as a result of the vaccine? I’m not suggesting one way or the other, and as there have been some questions and cautions previously about AZ, I’m interested to know. The reports of connections to clotting issues were frequent for a short while. I was concerned at the time as my mother was vaccinated with AZ, but she herself has a 10year history of clotting issues. Despite this, in the UK, there was no follow up from her GP in light of those reports.
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ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:27 am
Doc67 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:56 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:41 am We see lots of stats here in Cambodia on how many have been infected and how many have recovered and of course, how many have died from Covid. Has anyone seen the Cambodian stats on how many have died from taking the vaccine?
Here it is...

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Mother in law (only 65). AZ on Wednesday of last week. Coma on Thursday, died on Sunday. No pre-existing /underlying illnesses. Negative covid test on admission. Just coincidence according to you then??

I'm sorry about your mother-in-law, but correlation is not causation. Did this occur in Cambodia?
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Doc67 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:40 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:27 am
Doc67 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:56 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:41 am We see lots of stats here in Cambodia on how many have been infected and how many have recovered and of course, how many have died from Covid. Has anyone seen the Cambodian stats on how many have died from taking the vaccine?
Here it is...

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Mother in law (only 65). AZ on Wednesday of last week. Coma on Thursday, died on Sunday. No pre-existing /underlying illnesses. Negative covid test on admission. Just coincidence according to you then??

I'm sorry about your mother-in-law, but correlation is not causation. Did this occur in Cambodia?
Yes it happened here in Cambodia. I am by no means an antivaxer BTW. And, I completely understand correlation is not causation However, if she had not had the shot, bet my bottom dollar she would still be here. Those that suggest otherwise are incredibly naive.
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Freightdog wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:35 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:27 am
Doc67 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:56 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:41 am We see lots of stats here in Cambodia on how many have been infected and how many have recovered and of course, how many have died from Covid. Has anyone seen the Cambodian stats on how many have died from taking the vaccine?
Here it is...

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Mother in law (only 65). AZ on Wednesday of last week. Coma on Thursday, died on Sunday. No pre-existing /underlying illnesses. Negative covid test on admission. Just coincidence according to you then??
Is that query for real?

Where does Doc even suggest coincidence? That’s putting words in someone else’s mouth.

Has it been established that she died as a result of the vaccine? I’m not suggesting one way or the other, and as there have been some questions and cautions previously about AZ, I’m interested to know. The reports of connections to cutting issues were frequent for a short while. I was concerned at the time as my mother was vaccinated with AZ, but she herself has a 10year history of clotting issues. Despite this, in the UK, there was no follow up from her GP in light of those reports.
Apologies to doc - correct. I was assuming he was suggesting that there have been 0 deaths associated with vaccination - my bad. Obviously it isn't 'proved' but blind Freddy could even see what is very obvious.
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ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:47 am
Doc67 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:40 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:27 am
Doc67 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:56 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:41 am We see lots of stats here in Cambodia on how many have been infected and how many have recovered and of course, how many have died from Covid. Has anyone seen the Cambodian stats on how many have died from taking the vaccine?
Here it is...

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Mother in law (only 65). AZ on Wednesday of last week. Coma on Thursday, died on Sunday. No pre-existing /underlying illnesses. Negative covid test on admission. Just coincidence according to you then??

I'm sorry about your mother-in-law, but correlation is not causation. Did this occur in Cambodia?
Yes it happened here in Cambodia. I am by no means an antivaxer BTW. And, I completely understand correlation is not causation However, if she had not had the shot, bet my bottom dollar she would still be here. Those that suggest otherwise are incredibly naive.
Astra Zeneca has a reputation for making the recipient a bit groggy for about 24 hours. I know many in the UK that have had it, most had slight side effects but many had none, save for a bit of soreness at the injection site. Deaths caused by it within 4 days are so rare as to be statically irrelevant. 22 millions shots in the UK, 41 deaths caused by blood clotting*.

What did the doctors give as a cause of death?

Anyway, I may be incredibly naive, but I wouldn't be putting any $'s on those odds, bottom one or not.

he Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) published its latest findings today, stating that up to April 21 there had been 209 Yellow Card reports of cases of major thromboembolic events (blood clots) with concurrent thrombocytopenia (low platelet counts) in the UK.

These cases occurred after patients received a dose of the AstraZeneca jab.

But with just over 33.9million people already having their first Covid vaccine, and 13.5million their second, the risks are very small.

The MHRA uses "yellow card" reporting in order to track side effects in patients who have had the jab.

It stated that of the 209 cases, 120 occured in women and 89 occurred in men from ages 18-93, with the overall case fatality rate at 19 per cent - with 41 deaths.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14804526/ ... nce-dying/
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ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:49 am
Freightdog wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:35 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:27 am
Doc67 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:56 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:41 am We see lots of stats here in Cambodia on how many have been infected and how many have recovered and of course, how many have died from Covid. Has anyone seen the Cambodian stats on how many have died from taking the vaccine?
Here it is...

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Mother in law (only 65). AZ on Wednesday of last week. Coma on Thursday, died on Sunday. No pre-existing /underlying illnesses. Negative covid test on admission. Just coincidence according to you then??
Is that query for real?

Where does Doc even suggest coincidence? That’s putting words in someone else’s mouth.

Has it been established that she died as a result of the vaccine? I’m not suggesting one way or the other, and as there have been some questions and cautions previously about AZ, I’m interested to know. The reports of connections to cutting issues were frequent for a short while. I was concerned at the time as my mother was vaccinated with AZ, but she herself has a 10year history of clotting issues. Despite this, in the UK, there was no follow up from her GP in light of those reports.
Apologies to doc - correct. I was assuming he was suggesting that there have been 0 deaths associated with vaccination - my bad. Obviously it isn't 'proved' but blind Freddy could even see what is very obvious.
I take a very different view. It’s very easy to draw a conclusion, and make that into a fact, without any verification.

My mother had a cough. The doctor decide she had a chest infection. Obviously. Antibiotics prescribed. After several weeks I pushed to get her a PCR test, as an initial real actual effort to make sure we knew what was happening. Fortunately, the test came back Negative. So what was the cough? Blind Freddy had already decided it was a chest infection, prescribing antibiotics, at the height of a global respiratory pandemic, without even excluding the obvious- a new persistent cough. A rapid hospital visit determined she had advanced lung cancer, which by this point had been undiagnosed for 3months, caught just in time!

Myself, treated for high blood pressure. The arrogance of the doctor resulted in him attributing this to a typical Pilot work/lifestyle. No diagnostic. Which meant they missed the important bit that the blood pressure was a symptom of a cancer that they’d not diagnosed, because they’d drawn an obvious conclusion.

What exactly is an underlying health condition, anyway? The really important part of that classification is seemingly often missed out. No known underlying health condition.

If you have an unknown condition that is as yet undiagnosed, not yet serious enough to display any symptoms, does not mean it’s not there.
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Freightdog wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:14 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:49 am
Freightdog wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:35 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:27 am
Doc67 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:56 am

Here it is...

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Mother in law (only 65). AZ on Wednesday of last week. Coma on Thursday, died on Sunday. No pre-existing /underlying illnesses. Negative covid test on admission. Just coincidence according to you then??
Is that query for real?

Where does Doc even suggest coincidence? That’s putting words in someone else’s mouth.

Has it been established that she died as a result of the vaccine? I’m not suggesting one way or the other, and as there have been some questions and cautions previously about AZ, I’m interested to know. The reports of connections to cutting issues were frequent for a short while. I was concerned at the time as my mother was vaccinated with AZ, but she herself has a 10year history of clotting issues. Despite this, in the UK, there was no follow up from her GP in light of those reports.
Apologies to doc - correct. I was assuming he was suggesting that there have been 0 deaths associated with vaccination - my bad. Obviously it isn't 'proved' but blind Freddy could even see what is very obvious.
I take a very different view. It’s very easy to draw a conclusion, and make that into a fact, without any verification.

My mother had a cough. The doctor decide she had a chest infection. Obviously. Antibiotics prescribed. After several weeks I pushed to get her a PCR test, as an initial real actual effort to make sure we knew what was happening. Fortunately, the test came back Negative. So what was the cough? Blind Freddy had already decided it was a chest infection, prescribing antibiotics, at the height of a global respiratory pandemic, without even excluding the obvious- a new persistent cough. A rapid hospital visit determined she had advanced lung cancer, which by this point had been undiagnosed for 3months, caught just in time!

Myself, treated for high blood pressure. The arrogance of the doctor resulted in him attributing this to a typical Pilot work/lifestyle. No diagnostic. Which meant they missed the important bit that the blood pressure was a symptom of a cancer that they’d not diagnosed, because they’d drawn an obvious conclusion.

What exactly is an underlying health condition, anyway? The really important part of that classification is seemingly often missed out. No known underlying health condition.

If you have an unknown condition that is as yet undiagnosed, not yet serious enough to display any symptoms, does not mean it’s not there.
Obviously you and Doc are the experts in this field and 100% spot on. Death is totally unrelated. AZ is SAFE. My apologies...At least I am better informed now, greatly appreciate your scientific insights. Nothing further to discuss with the myopic.
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no horse in this race;
but I for one, would like to see a autopsy report stating she died because of the vaccine>

I know thats asking alot but otherwise....

My condolences to ur and ur wife
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ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:32 pm
Freightdog wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:14 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:49 am
Freightdog wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:35 am
ego bibere nimis wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:27 am

Mother in law (only 65). AZ on Wednesday of last week. Coma on Thursday, died on Sunday. No pre-existing /underlying illnesses. Negative covid test on admission. Just coincidence according to you then??
Is that query for real?

Where does Doc even suggest coincidence? That’s putting words in someone else’s mouth.

Has it been established that she died as a result of the vaccine? I’m not suggesting one way or the other, and as there have been some questions and cautions previously about AZ, I’m interested to know. The reports of connections to cutting issues were frequent for a short while. I was concerned at the time as my mother was vaccinated with AZ, but she herself has a 10year history of clotting issues. Despite this, in the UK, there was no follow up from her GP in light of those reports.
Apologies to doc - correct. I was assuming he was suggesting that there have been 0 deaths associated with vaccination - my bad. Obviously it isn't 'proved' but blind Freddy could even see what is very obvious.
I take a very different view. It’s very easy to draw a conclusion, and make that into a fact, without any verification.

My mother had a cough. The doctor decide she had a chest infection. Obviously. Antibiotics prescribed. After several weeks I pushed to get her a PCR test, as an initial real actual effort to make sure we knew what was happening. Fortunately, the test came back Negative. So what was the cough? Blind Freddy had already decided it was a chest infection, prescribing antibiotics, at the height of a global respiratory pandemic, without even excluding the obvious- a new persistent cough. A rapid hospital visit determined she had advanced lung cancer, which by this point had been undiagnosed for 3months, caught just in time!

Myself, treated for high blood pressure. The arrogance of the doctor resulted in him attributing this to a typical Pilot work/lifestyle. No diagnostic. Which meant they missed the important bit that the blood pressure was a symptom of a cancer that they’d not diagnosed, because they’d drawn an obvious conclusion.

What exactly is an underlying health condition, anyway? The really important part of that classification is seemingly often missed out. No known underlying health condition.

If you have an unknown condition that is as yet undiagnosed, not yet serious enough to display any symptoms, does not mean it’s not there.
Obviously you and Doc are the experts in this field and 100% spot on. Death is totally unrelated. AZ is SAFE. My apologies...At least I am better informed now, greatly appreciate your scientific insights. Nothing further to discuss with the myopic.
No. Now you’re just being a bit petty. You asked a question, specifically about the statistics of any link between vaccine and deaths as a result. Doc answered that the statistics were 0. Nil. He made no assessment or judgement of the possibility of there being a direct link between the Vaccine and your mother in law’s death. You made that correlation, and then tried to attribute that to Doc.

From my point- I am suggesting that in the absence of facts beyond having been vaccinated, and subsequently having died, your claim that the two are directly linked. It’s a very loose argument. I’m not suggesting that they aren’t linked. However, assuming that there cannot possibly be any other factor involved is wrong. The argument of a closed mind.
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nice write up
Some nations using China’s vaccines are battling outbreaks. So do they work?
Earlier this year, life beyond COVID shutdowns looked closer than ever for Chile, Mongolia, Bahrain and the Seychelles. All four nations were among the most vaccinated in the world, having secured large stores of China’s Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines. But, by June, these four countries were battling some of the world’s worst COVID outbreaks. So are the vaccines failing?
https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/some- ... AUrwd-W5Ck
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