Gee, does that mean that we fucked the world economy for a flu?

WildA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:21 am Gee, does that mean that we fucked the world economy for a flu?

No, it means your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
" The data suggest that the state's mortality rate could be lower than previously thought, albeit much higher than for seasonal influenza"

It is also early days for these studies, the ones out of California have basic flaws.
"Experts demolish studies suggesting COVID-19 is no worse than flu
Authors of widely publicized antibody studies “owe us all an apology,” one expert says."
Full:https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04 ... -than-flu/

WildA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:21 am Gee, does that mean that we fucked the world economy for a flu?

Yes, they sure did.
The good news is humans have done even more stupid things in the history. The bad news is year 2020 has just started with common sense in short supply so expect more absurdity to come.

To the “mortality much higher than seasonal influenza” believers, again: 500 000 people die annually from flu and 1 500 000 die annually from tuberculosis. Someone has to be incredibly math challenged to say mortality from covid is much higher to justify not opening economy back immediately.

Ok, they thought it was a new bubonic plague at the beginning, they overreacted massively. Errare humanum est. But now it is clear to epidemiologists this virus ranks between flu and tuberculosis on the danger scale for old or sick people and sits near flu for younger healthier people.

John Bingham wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:40 pm

hunter8 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:29 pm again: 500 000 people die annually from flu and 1 500 000 die annually from tuberculosis.

You keep repeating that like it's some revelation. Millions of people die from other causes already so we shouldn't be bothered about a few more million dying from a new disease? Fantastic logic there.

A measured approach is suggested. You don’t go duck hunting with a SAM.

Same in California. I hate to agree with Hunter8, but once all the numbers are tallied up in a few years time, I'm sure death ratios will be revealed to be much lower than anticipated and we'll realize that whole economies were messed up for nothing. Had countries spent a fraction of what they're spending now (medically/payouts/military etc) in simply isolating the elderly and those at risk, the world could have continued to run more or less as normal and we would have witnessed far fewer deaths. Hopefully we (governments) all learn from this, but time will tell.

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:26 pm Same in California. I hate to agree with Hunter8, but once all the numbers are tallied up in a few years time, I'm sure death ratios will be revealed to be much lower than anticipated and we'll realize that whole economies were messed up for nothing. Had countries spent a fraction of what they're spending now (medically/payouts/military etc) in simply isolating the elderly and those at risk, the world could have continued to run more or less as normal and we would have witnessed far fewer deaths. Hopefully we (governments) all learn from this, but time will tell.

And there lays the problem,,, it was not running as normal, it was running full speed out of control.

Can you elaborate? In my home country, the vast majority of deaths were in old people homes. Had they been properly isolated, the rest of us could have gotten immunized over a relatively short period of time and gone on with our lives. I'm not saying it's a simple thing to take care of, but it's obvious the majority of governments were slow in their responses (were totally unprepared and had no SOPs). Instead people have gone into total shutdown, which in the long-run will have extremely negative consequences as well.

It sort of seems impossible to debate the lockdowns or the virus in general without any deviation from either extreme being interpreted as a full blown endorsement of the opposite extreme. Sure it was more than “just the flu”. The lockdowns were an extreme over reaction however and will likely end up as the cause of death for a lot of people in addition to the economic impact. Wonder what sort of stupid public policy decision they will come up with to flatten the suicide curve.

The data is showing more and more that the real cause of the decrease in cases is herd immunity and not the lockdowns. This seems to point to a high likelihood that Cambodia had the virus sweep through a while back before anyone would have known what it was or could have raised an alarm about suspicious deaths. I’d guess late October and early November. Was there any sort of spike in flu related illness Or deaths last year? I can’t find anything on flu stats in Cambodia. Interestingly Dengue fever cases were 8 times higher than normal last year though.