Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:05 pm Can you elaborate? In my home country, the vast majority of deaths were in old people homes. Had they been properly isolated, the rest of us could have gotten immunized over a relatively short period of time and gone on with our lives. I'm not saying it's a simple thing to take care of, but it's obvious the majority of governments were slow in their responses (were totally unprepared and had no SOPs). Instead people have gone into total shutdown, which in the long-run will have extremely negative consequences as well.

Johnnywalker wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:10 pm It sort of seems impossible to debate the lockdowns or the virus in general without any deviation from either extreme being interpreted as a full blown endorsement of the opposite extreme. Sure it was more than “just the flu”. The lockdowns were an extreme over reaction however and will likely end up as the cause of death for a lot of people in addition to the economic impact. Wonder what sort of stupid public policy decision they will come up with to flatten the suicide curve.

The data is showing more and more that the real cause of the decrease in cases is herd immunity and not the lockdowns. This seems to point to a high likelihood that Cambodia had the virus sweep through a while back before anyone would have known what it was or could have raised an alarm about suspicious deaths. I’d guess late October and early November. Was there any sort of spike in flu related illness Or deaths last year? I can’t find anything on flu stats in Cambodia. Interestingly Dengue fever cases were 8 times higher than normal last year though.

Johnnywalker wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:10 pm
The data is showing more and more that the real cause of the decrease in cases is herd immunity and not the lockdowns.

hunter8 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:29 pmTo the “mortality much higher than seasonal influenza” believers, again: 500 000 people die annually from flu and 1 500 000 die annually from tuberculosis. Someone has to be incredibly math challenged to say mortality from covid is much higher to justify not opening economy back immediately.

Clemen wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:17 am

WildA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:21 am Gee, does that mean that we fucked the world economy for a flu?

No, it means your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
" The data suggest that the state's mortality rate could be lower than previously thought, albeit much higher than for seasonal influenza"

It is also early days for these studies, the ones out of California have basic flaws.
"Experts demolish studies suggesting COVID-19 is no worse than flu
Authors of widely publicized antibody studies “owe us all an apology,” one expert says."
Full:https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04 ... -than-flu/

Johnnywalker wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:10 pm Was there any sort of spike in flu related illness Or deaths last year? I can’t find anything on flu stats in Cambodia. Interestingly Dengue fever cases were 8 times higher than normal last year though.

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:05 pm Can you elaborate? In my home country, the vast majority of deaths were in old people homes. Had they been properly isolated, the rest of us could have gotten immunized over a relatively short period of time and gone on with our lives. I'm not saying it's a simple thing to take care of, but it's obvious the majority of governments were slow in their responses (were totally unprepared and had no SOPs). Instead people have gone into total shutdown, which in the long-run will have extremely negative consequences as well.

WildA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:29 pm

Clemen wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:17 am

WildA wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:21 am Gee, does that mean that we fucked the world economy for a flu?

No, it means your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
" The data suggest that the state's mortality rate could be lower than previously thought, albeit much higher than for seasonal influenza"

It is also early days for these studies, the ones out of California have basic flaws.
"Experts demolish studies suggesting COVID-19 is no worse than flu
Authors of widely publicized antibody studies “owe us all an apology,” one expert says."
Full:https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04 ... -than-flu/

Your politics are showing.

China lied people died.

Clemen wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:28 pm

Johnnywalker wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:10 pm It sort of seems impossible to debate the lockdowns or the virus in general without any deviation from either extreme being interpreted as a full blown endorsement of the opposite extreme. Sure it was more than “just the flu”. The lockdowns were an extreme over reaction however and will likely end up as the cause of death for a lot of people in addition to the economic impact. Wonder what sort of stupid public policy decision they will come up with to flatten the suicide curve.

The data is showing more and more that the real cause of the decrease in cases is herd immunity and not the lockdowns. This seems to point to a high likelihood that Cambodia had the virus sweep through a while back before anyone would have known what it was or could have raised an alarm about suspicious deaths. I’d guess late October and early November. Was there any sort of spike in flu related illness Or deaths last year? I can’t find anything on flu stats in Cambodia. Interestingly Dengue fever cases were 8 times higher than normal last year though.

Can you post a link to this data?
How does Dengue relate to this?