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Brody · Post by **Brody** » Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:29 am

U.S. B-24 bombers attack German oil facilities at Ploești. Of the 16 cameramen accompanying this mission, the one who took this photo was the only one to survive - May 1944

Brody · Post by **Brody** » Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:59 pm

Brody · Post by **Brody** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:34 pm

Air France A380 next to a British Airways 747

cambo swa · Post by **cambo swa** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:51 pm

Doc67 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:42 pm
Brody wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:10 am B-52 Boneyard

I know this is probably a very dumb question, but why are the intact aircraft grey and rusty but the dismantled ones look like they have been stripped back to bare metal. If it is being done for scrap metal, why bother?

B-52s are aluminum so it is definitely not rust. The location is an air force base in the desert near Tuscon, Arizona so the brown is probably sand. The dark grey color is paint so maybe the lighter ones are de-painted or un-painter aluminum? They are stored there in the desert just to prevent rust of the non-aluminum components. Bus tours of the site are available (maybe not now with Covid).

hanno · Post by **hanno** » Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:44 am

cambo swa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:51 pm
Doc67 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:42 pm
Brody wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:10 am B-52 Boneyard

I know this is probably a very dumb question, but why are the intact aircraft grey and rusty but the dismantled ones look like they have been stripped back to bare metal. If it is being done for scrap metal, why bother?
B-52s are aluminum so it is definitely not rust. The location is an air force base in the desert near Tuscon, Arizona so the brown is probably sand. The dark grey color is paint so maybe the lighter ones are de-painted or un-painter aluminum? They are stored there in the desert just to prevent rust of the non-aluminum components. Bus tours of the site are available (maybe not now with Covid).

Aluminum does not rust, but it corrodes. A piece of corroded aluminum:

Corrosion on a plane:

Kampuchia Crumbs · Post by **Kampuchia Crumbs** » Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:25 am

cambo swa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:51 pm
Doc67 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:42 pm
Brody wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:10 am B-52 Boneyard

B-52s are aluminum so it is definitely not rust. The location is an air force base in the desert near Tuscon, Arizona so the brown is probably sand. The dark grey color is paint so maybe the lighter ones are de-painted or un-painter aluminum? They are stored there in the desert just to prevent rust of the non-aluminum components. Bus tours of the site are available (maybe not now with Covid).
Wonder how many of those in the photos above flew over Cambodia dropping bombs...
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Have taken the tour. It was very interesting. All kinds of planes there, not just B52.

I recall back in the 80's there was a treaty with the USSR where we had to scrap some B52's I remember seeing some video where they had a GIANT Guillotine that chopped the wings off the B52. Wonder if that's what happened to some of these?

Another way to do it

cambo swa · Post by **cambo swa** » Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:02 am

hanno wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:44 am
cambo swa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:51 pm
Doc67 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:42 pm
Brody wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:10 am B-52 Boneyard

I know this is probably a very dumb question, but why are the intact aircraft grey and rusty but the dismantled ones look like they have been stripped back to bare metal. If it is being done for scrap metal, why bother?
B-52s are aluminum so it is definitely not rust. The location is an air force base in the desert near Tuscon, Arizona so the brown is probably sand. The dark grey color is paint so maybe the lighter ones are de-painted or un-painter aluminum? They are stored there in the desert just to prevent rust of the non-aluminum components. Bus tours of the site are available (maybe not now with Covid).
Aluminum does not rust, but it corrodes. A piece of corroded aluminum:

Corrosion on a plane:

Mr. Hanno, there are different grades of aluminum and the aluminum on B52s does not corrode ever. Maybe it does on German aircraft.

hanno · Post by **hanno** » Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:06 am

cambo swa wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:02 am
hanno wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:44 am
cambo swa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:51 pm
Doc67 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:42 pm
Brody wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:10 am B-52 Boneyard

I know this is probably a very dumb question, but why are the intact aircraft grey and rusty but the dismantled ones look like they have been stripped back to bare metal. If it is being done for scrap metal, why bother?
B-52s are aluminum so it is definitely not rust. The location is an air force base in the desert near Tuscon, Arizona so the brown is probably sand. The dark grey color is paint so maybe the lighter ones are de-painted or un-painter aluminum? They are stored there in the desert just to prevent rust of the non-aluminum components. Bus tours of the site are available (maybe not now with Covid).
Aluminum does not rust, but it corrodes. A piece of corroded aluminum:

Corrosion on a plane:

Mr. Hanno, there are different grades of aluminum and the aluminum on B52s does not corrode ever. Maybe it does on German aircraft.

Apart from an uncalled for cheap shot, you are just plane wrong. Why would they build a corrosion control hangar:

https://www.butlermfg.com/gallery-item/ ... 52-hangar/

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... effective/

Kammekor · Post by **Kammekor** » Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:57 am

cambo swa wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:02 am

Mr. Hanno, there are different grades of aluminum and the aluminum on B52s does not corrode ever. Maybe it does on German aircraft.

Aluminum does corrode (even pure aluminum), and it corrodes very fast, so fast the thin layer of aluminum oxide will prevent the rest from corroding further.

Most planes have a layer of pure aluminum alloyed to the aluminum alloy below thus protecting it from corrosion. Pure aluminum is way too weak for airplane construction.

So B52's do corrode, and because of that the aluminum alloy used to build the plane can last decades

Doc67 · Post by **Doc67** » Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:55 am

hanno wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:06 am
cambo swa wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:02 am
hanno wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:44 am
cambo swa wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:51 pm
Doc67 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:42 pm

I know this is probably a very dumb question, but why are the intact aircraft grey and rusty but the dismantled ones look like they have been stripped back to bare metal. If it is being done for scrap metal, why bother?
B-52s are aluminum so it is definitely not rust. The location is an air force base in the desert near Tuscon, Arizona so the brown is probably sand. The dark grey color is paint so maybe the lighter ones are de-painted or un-painter aluminum? They are stored there in the desert just to prevent rust of the non-aluminum components. Bus tours of the site are available (maybe not now with Covid).
Aluminum does not rust, but it corrodes. A piece of corroded aluminum:

Mr. Hanno, there are different grades of aluminum and the aluminum on B52s does not corrode ever. Maybe it does on German aircraft.
Apart from an uncalled for cheap shot, you are just plane wrong. Why would they build a corrosion control hangar:

Oh Mr Hanno, please tell me that was an intentional pun. If so, full marks!

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