Alex wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:43 pm There might be a few outliers that will go down the isolation route, but I'd expect most countries to reopen to foreigners within the next 1-3 months.

Australia and NZ will persist with this isolation strategy longer than most, imo.
because they know how well it works - combined with community wide general support for lock-downs. good testing, good case tracking.
And because they do not see the premature deaths of 10s of thousands of the elderly as acceptable "die-offs".
( not saying anybody does - but that is effectively the trade off, and OZ/NZ are stronger than most on this issue)

Aust deaths 67 (3% of USA rate/head of pop. 1% of UK rate)
NZ deaths 11 ( even less ^^)
A much harder question for those countries where it has already established a firm foothold tho'. Much harder.

Personally i reckon,
Forget waiting for an effective vaccine, that will be too late for the economy, and for most people to wait.
Treatment, even partly effective treatment, will blow the need for harsh measures out of the water.
and that will probably come before too long.
(fingers crossed)
Relying on herd immunity would be a reckless gamble at this point, imo - given the valid doubts about whether this will apply to this particular virus. There are already some indications that like other coronaviruses, it will not be a very strong immunity.

All i know is that there are Americans who are threatening civil unrest in the USA if the coronavirus scare continues for too long.

michael.stewart1 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:18 pm All i know is that there are Americans who are threatening civil unrest in the USA if the coronavirus scare continues for too long.

I also do not see people willing to stay home for long and will be demanding their government to open up again. The only people in the US who are happy with the economic shut down are liberals who hate Trump and hate capitalism. Americans will not likely tolerate this for long.
The other major problem the world faces is that when I do not have anything to occupy my time I start thinking more often than I normally do. For the last three years I had something that would occupy my time and spent my resources on. Now I am dealing with surplus time and surplus resources. Minecraft and skyrim can only occupy 15 minutes of my time before I start becoming antsy.

Doc67 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:22 pm

atst wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:49 am Looking at flights Australia to Phnom Penh in May nothing but June seems flights available as normal, I've booked 1st June so hopefully June's when they are back on.

Read this...

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 54iw4.html

Read it thanks.Nothing new in it for me, I have retirement visa plus the OK to leave Australia. Flight cost economy was normal cost one way Qantas , don't think have to much trouble getting test for Covid . only blocker I see at the moment is transferring at Singapore. Can only try its been a month already stuck home can only hope.
as for cancellation you have a year to use credits which is no problem for me

michael.stewart1 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:21 pm

michael.stewart1 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:18 pm All i know is that there are Americans who are threatening civil unrest in the USA if the coronavirus scare continues for too long.

I also do not see people willing to stay home for long and will be demanding their government to open up again. The only people in the US who are happy with the economic shut down are liberals who hate Trump and hate capitalism. Americans will not likely tolerate this for long.
The other major problem the world faces is that when I do not have anything to occupy my time I start thinking more often than I normally do. For the last three years I had something that would occupy my time and spent my resources on. Now I am dealing with surplus time and surplus resources. Minecraft and skyrim can only occupy 15 minutes of my time before I start becoming antsy.

Would be good if you would think "more than you normally do" before you post. This is not twitter. We do not need to know your every thought, every minute. Your posts are all about YOU, no matter what topic you comment on.
You are not on lockdown. Go and get some fresh air. Get a hobby. Find a girlfriend.

michael.stewart1 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:21 pm The other major problem the world faces is that when I do not have anything to occupy my time I start thinking more often than I normally do.

At last, we all find something to agree on.

michael.stewart1 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:21 pm

michael.stewart1 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:18 pm All i know is that there are Americans who are threatening civil unrest in the USA if the coronavirus scare continues for too long.

I also do not see people willing to stay home for long and will be demanding their government to open up again. The only people in the US who are happy with the economic shut down are liberals who hate Trump and hate capitalism. Americans will not likely tolerate this for long.
The other major problem the world faces is that when I do not have anything to occupy my time I start thinking more often than I normally do. For the last three years I had something that would occupy my time and spent my resources on. Now I am dealing with surplus time and surplus resources. Minecraft and skyrim can only occupy 15 minutes of my time before I start becoming antsy.

Rainman...

Air Asia are now showing flights from KL to PNH as from 1st June. I assume they know something that we don't regarding travel restrictions into the KOW? Only $24 as well

I doubt they "know" anything. They've got to raise money somehow...

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:51 pm I doubt they "know" anything. They've got to raise money somehow...

Most airlines are running a cash to coupon business these days.

Had a flight coming up at the end of May, Phnom Penh - Shenzhen - Bangkok. All segments cancelled, have been offered a coupon.

Just lovely, all those coupons...