Virus vs Economy

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Doc67 wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:27 pm
I agree with the economy section. Start with -30's in good health and wait a week or 2 and mass testing. Then -40's, 2 weeks and more testing, and so on...
In a month or two the virus will die out or mass immunity will begin with a few casualties along the way.

Question: Are older Italians who are sick and at home with their family choosing to stay quiet and try to survive it at home because of fear of isolation in their final hours in those grim panic ridden hospitals?
Hospitals are full and intensive care beds not available anymore. Germany has started to accept patients from Italy. Infected people stay at home as long as possible (in case ventilation only needed + medication). But when it comes to intubation either you are lucky to find a place in an ICU or they are left to die.
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Apexisto wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:11 pm It's more like virus vs. freedom because a little flu is being used to isolate people, to make governments stronger and more fascist, the economy suffers because governments want you to stop using your property and freedoms to make something useful for all. Instead, they want to say what to do and say, where to go, not to even have fun because young people with flu is so damn serious now. The fear is effective motivator for control and terror. Since the virus is creating more fear and deaths you don't need to be genius to see how totalitarianism and fascism reign over freedoms and economy. People should learn to grow some balls and take full responsibility of their health: if you are in the risk group, stay then at home and try to come stronger. And if you are not in a risk group: then do your duties and have good life, and take care of the people that are in the risk group.
So all those old, ill people need to man up and accept their deaths? Retired people are just a drain on our society, anyhow. Some 90 year-old has been retired for 25 years... The reason the Italians have a massive death toll is 22% of their population is over 65 and they live in family groups. Younger people, who have only mild cases give them the disease, and that's curtains for them. But who is infected if there are large percentages of the asymptomatic? That's why everyone needs to stay isolated - you might not know you are contagious as you can shake it off, shake it off but they're fucked and they clog up the hospitals with their corpses, killing people with cancer etc who are still getting sick. It has a two week incubation and lasts about ten days, so you're looking at about a month of lockdown for it to blow over. Your rights to freedom are superseded for the good of society.
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cptrelentless wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:17 pm
Apexisto wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:11 pm It's more like virus vs. freedom because a little flu is being used to isolate people, to make governments stronger and more fascist, the economy suffers because governments want you to stop using your property and freedoms to make something useful for all. Instead, they want to say what to do and say, where to go, not to even have fun because young people with flu is so damn serious now. The fear is effective motivator for control and terror. Since the virus is creating more fear and deaths you don't need to be genius to see how totalitarianism and fascism reign over freedoms and economy. People should learn to grow some balls and take full responsibility of their health: if you are in the risk group, stay then at home and try to come stronger. And if you are not in a risk group: then do your duties and have good life, and take care of the people that are in the risk group.
So all those old, ill people need to man up and accept their deaths? Retired people are just a drain on our society, anyhow. Some 90 year-old has been retired for 25 years... The reason the Italians have a massive death toll is 22% of their population is over 65 and they live in family groups. Younger people, who have only mild cases give them the disease, and that's curtains for them. But who is infected if there are large percentages of the asymptomatic? That's why everyone needs to stay isolated - you might not know you are contagious as you can shake it off, shake it off but they're fucked and they clog up the hospitals with their corpses, killing people with cancer etc who are still getting sick. It has a two week incubation and lasts about ten days, so you're looking at about a month of lockdown for it to blow over. Your rights to freedom are superseded for the good of society.
Certainly, there is some necessity behind it, but it is done by wrong assumptions and based on fear. You don't amputate your hand off if there's a little wound, as well you should not close entire societies due to a little flu. That's why I said: If you are in the risk group: keep yourself in isolation and it's much more easier to provide to the elderly enough food, shelter and isolation with billions or trillions of dollars than use that money to bail out air companies and everybody else. With the economic loses alone, we can put the elderly into 5 star hotels and give them the best care of the world while the rest do their respective duties. After a couple of months, when there is enough immunity for a new flu, it will vanish as fast as it has appeared.

But of course, in hysteria and while panicking you don't see it so clearly so people just accept terror and loss of their freedoms and they literally amputate all that is good for the soul and not just to isolate the wound with great care and keep it clean...
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Apexisto wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:34 pm
But of course, in hysteria and while panicking you don't see it so clearly so people just accept terror and loss of their freedoms and they literally amputate all that is good for the soul and not just to isolate the wound with great care and keep it clean...
Can't speak for everyone, but there is no fear, hysteria or panic in this household. Nobody is terrified, but will accept that we are mildly inconvenienced for now. Will pop the kettle on and have a cup of tea. Cures all ills :hattip:
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And it's only really beginning. Sad times.

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Yerg wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:07 pm
Apexisto wrote: Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:34 pm
But of course, in hysteria and while panicking you don't see it so clearly so people just accept terror and loss of their freedoms and they literally amputate all that is good for the soul and not just to isolate the wound with great care and keep it clean...
Can't speak for everyone, but there is no fear, hysteria or panic in this household. Nobody is terrified, but will accept that we are mildly inconvenienced for now. Will pop the kettle on and have a cup of tea. Cures all ills :hattip:
Yep and a good blow job from our wives. shhhhh. keep it going yerg. maintain that sanity. i admit the mish's kids start to make me insane (not that i ever was sane) :beer3:
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The italian gov has decided that the 3 week shutdown ending april 3rd wont be enough to contain the spreading of the virus. Another month of lockdown is beeing discussed. Waiting for the final order which will come anytime soon. Apart from over 10'000 dead the estimated cost so far tops 100BN Euros, much much more for another month. You can immgaine yourself how hard it will hit the economies with no such handouts to the public.
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