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WJP rule of law; Cambodia 127 out of 128

Post by phuketrichard » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:35 pm

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https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/

Thailand comes in at 71, Burma 112, Vietnam 85
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Re: WJP rule of law; Cambodia 127 out of 128

Post by Doc67 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:24 pm

phuketrichard wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:35 pm
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https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/

Thailand comes in at 71, Burma 112, Vietnam 85
Two years running so at least we are keeping up the good work in beating Venezuela.

Is anyone remotely surprised?
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Re: WJP rule of law; Cambodia 127 out of 128

Post by John Bingham » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:47 pm

It's depressing to read a report like that. I don't believe it has any veracity. It's just the same old "bash Cambodia and hold them to higher standards " line that has been thrown at this country since the PRK and especially after UNTAC. There is a certain contingent that wants to make people believe that the Paris Peace Agreement brought peace to Cambodia. They deny that the factions only stopped fighting in 1998/9. Now they support reactionary and xenophobic divisive parties. Sure, things are not perfect here and the rich can buy impunity but to put this country at a lower rank than South Africa, El Salvador, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc is just ridiculous. Just below DRC? GTFOH you BS statisticians. :facepalm:
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Post by truffledog » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:15 am

Its such a deterrent to invest in Cambodia..even small scale. You are NEVER safe unless you know the guy with the biggest/most guns at hand. So many new investors still believing a business licence, a written lease or any other piece of paper will safeguard you in case of trouble. You stumble over so many interersting business opportunities while visiting the country (and I guess many more if you decided to live there permanently) but I guess I am not the only one who decided against putting any dolla down due to fears of beeing fkced up in a country missing rule of law.
I would never dare to give an expert advice but even as a regularly vsisiting tourist who made a few friends that had the ballz to invest (cafe/restaurants, guesthouses, media/guides, food processing, clothes store and book shop to name a few) my personal experience is failure of nearly all of them. Some were dumb (had money only, no other real intrapreneural skills) or did not have the necessary cleverness to run a biz but the majority of them lost business due to bigger red envelopes or were cheated by the partners (barang and local) with no real chance for a legal protection of their investment/interests. My 50 cents: Invest only the money you can afford to lose without changing your future life. Investing in Cambodia is a gamble with unknown payouts.
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Post by Big'n » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:43 am

truffledog wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:15 am
Its such a deterrent to invest in Cambodia..even small scale. You are NEVER safe unless you know the guy with the biggest/most guns at hand. So many new investors still believing a business licence, a written lease or any other piece of paper will safeguard you in case of trouble. You stumble over so many interersting business opportunities while visiting the country (and I guess many more if you decided to live there permanently) but I guess I am not the only one who decided against putting any dolla down due to fears of beeing fkced up in a country missing rule of law.
I would never dare to give an expert advice but even as a regularly vsisiting tourist who made a few friends that had the ballz to invest (cafe/restaurants, guesthouses, media/guides, food processing, clothes store and book shop to name a few) my personal experience is failure of nearly all of them. Some were dumb (had money only, no other real intrapreneural skills) or did not have the necessary cleverness to run a biz but the majority of them lost business due to bigger red envelopes or were cheated by the partners (barang and local) with no real chance for a legal protection of their investment/interests. My 50 cents: Invest only the money you can afford to lose without changing your future life. Investing in Cambodia is a gamble with unknown payouts.
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Re: WJP rule of law; Cambodia 127 out of 128

Post by bong.kuit » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:17 am

John Bingham wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:47 pm
It's depressing to read a report like that. I don't believe it has any veracity. It's just the same old "bash Cambodia and hold them to higher standards " line that has been thrown at this country since the PRK and especially after UNTAC. There is a certain contingent that wants to make people believe that the Paris Peace Agreement brought peace to Cambodia. They deny that the factions only stopped fighting in 1998/9. Now they support reactionary and xenophobic divisive parties. Sure, things are not perfect here and the rich can buy impunity but to put this country at a lower rank than South Africa, El Salvador, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc is just ridiculous. Just below DRC? GTFOH you BS statisticians. :facepalm:
What "certain contingent" do you mean? Do you think the same people who had an interest in promoting the success of the Paris Peace Agreements are still in positions of power?

The different factors that were taken into account, as well as methodology and sponsors (funnily enough one is called 'The Bingham Centre For The Rule Of Law') are listed on the WSJ-site. Would be interesting to get a more detailed critique, especially because I share your 'feeling' that the other countries you named are also pretty fucked up.
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Re: WJP rule of law; Cambodia 127 out of 128

Post by pczz » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:06 am

truffledog wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:15 am
Its such a deterrent to invest in Cambodia..even small scale. You are NEVER safe unless you know the guy with the biggest/most guns at hand. So many new investors still believing a business licence, a written lease or any other piece of paper will safeguard you in case of trouble. You stumble over so many interersting business opportunities while visiting the country (and I guess many more if you decided to live there permanently) but I guess I am not the only one who decided against putting any dolla down due to fears of beeing fkced up in a country missing rule of law.
I would never dare to give an expert advice but even as a regularly vsisiting tourist who made a few friends that had the ballz to invest (cafe/restaurants, guesthouses, media/guides, food processing, clothes store and book shop to name a few) my personal experience is failure of nearly all of them. Some were dumb (had money only, no other real intrapreneural skills) or did not have the necessary cleverness to run a biz but the majority of them lost business due to bigger red envelopes or were cheated by the partners (barang and local) with no real chance for a legal protection of their investment/interests. My 50 cents: Invest only the money you can afford to lose without changing your future life. Investing in Cambodia is a gamble with unknown payouts.
No one sane would dispute what you say about Cambodia, but the same is true of many countries so is Cambodia really any worse? You will get very similar tales of woe from people who have invested in some of the poorer EU countries, most African countries and most South American countries. the fact is foreign tourists and investors exist to be ripped off in the eyes of some indiginous people of many cultures. Cambodia is being held to higher standards because the west couldn't give a stuff. it has been written off as a vassall sattae of china beyound redemption. While the west considers places like Saudi and a lot of Africa for example as place they can make a buck they will continut to turn a blind eye to the exact same practices that happen in Cambodia
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Re: WJP rule of law; Cambodia 127 out of 128

Post by Phnom Poon » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:51 am

those pesky international standards

this index is the result of surveying households and lawyers

questions like 'regulations are effectively enforced', 'government powers are subject to non-governmental checks', 'government officials do not use public office for private gain'

clearly cambodia fails rather comprehensively on most of these
perhaps not quite as much as DRC etc in reality, but this index measures peoples opinion
maybe cambodia should try harder to hide these failings

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Re: WJP rule of law; Cambodia 127 out of 128

Post by WildA » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:10 am

Maybe it matters naught to Western folks who dont with to buy proerty or own a business. Regardless, whats the point of this topic? Satisfy some dude from Thailands agenda? He just finished posting the same "revelation" over on a Thai expat forum.
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Re: WJP rule of law; Cambodia 127 out of 128

Post by Kuroneko » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:11 am

Ministry refutes justice ranking

Ry Sochan | Publication date 12 March 2020 | 01:17 ICT
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The Ministry of Justice on Wednesday refuted a World Justice Project (WJP) report which ranked Cambodia 127th out of 128 countries globally, in its rule of law performance, saying the report did not reflect realities in Cambodia.

The WJP on Wednesday released its “WJP Rule of Law Index 2020” annual report, claiming it is based on national surveys of more than 130,000 households, and 4,000 legal practitioners and experts globally.

Ministry of Justice secretary of state and spokesman Chin Malin told The Post on Wednesday that the report seems to have assessed Cambodia by linking its judicial system and law enforcement to politics.

He said the report is quite superficial and did not look into Cambodia’s legal aspects and context in depth.

https://www.phnompenhpost.com/national- ... ce-ranking
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