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Has you may see I am not a great believer how the world health organisation has handled the pandemic up to now, also if they are right about the situation, other countries who have most of their people vaccinated should be thinking of the other countries who don't have vaccines for their own people. If they don't then it's not going to stop. All of Cambodia's vaccination program in effect could be a waste, and more so if their offering 4th booster shots.
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AndyKK wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:12 am Has you may see I am not a great believer how the world health organisation has handled the pandemic up to now, also if they are right about the situation, other countries who have most of their people vaccinated should be thinking of the other countries who don't have vaccines for their own people. If they don't then it's not going to stop. All of Cambodia's vaccination program in effect could be a waste, and more so if their offering 4th booster shots.
Firstly, it depends on how much natural infection has occurred. In South Africa, the vax rate is low but it is believed the prior infection rate is high, this accounting for the low levels of sickness from Omicron.
John Campbell's video picks apart the latest South African study which presents a scientific rationale for what they have observed clinically - Omicron patients are mostly not getting sick.
Because Omicron is so infectious, it will soon completely displace Delta and no new variant will be able to surpass Omicron in infectiousness.
So, that will be the end of the pandemic. We will have Omicron as endemic.
On this scenario, Cambodia's vax program will not be a waste. Countries with low vax rates and low natural infection levels will suffer more serious sickness but that won't impact highly vaxed countries (except in economic terms in some instances). It could even be that there are no places with both low vax rates and low natural infection.
Everyone will be getting Omicron soon and once we've all had it, that's the end of the pandemic. Most of those of us lucky enough to have had the vax (and/or natural infection) won't be getting very sick.
But the sheer number of Omicron cases will create a short-lived health crisis over the next two or three months, as a small proportion of a huge number will be quite a lot.
Countries whose influencers have a prediliction for oppressive lockdowns etc will cause their citizens economic pain. The vaccine manufacturers will be likely to spin the narrative their way. The MSM are already showing a preference for promoting fear over science.
All the signs are that Cambodia will be handling it well, i.e. not panicking.

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armchairlawyer wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:27 pm
AndyKK wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:12 am Has you may see I am not a great believer how the world health organisation has handled the pandemic up to now, also if they are right about the situation, other countries who have most of their people vaccinated should be thinking of the other countries who don't have vaccines for their own people. If they don't then it's not going to stop. All of Cambodia's vaccination program in effect could be a waste, and more so if their offering 4th booster shots.
Firstly, it depends on how much natural infection has occurred. In South Africa, the vax rate is low but it is believed the prior infection rate is high, this accounting for the low levels of sickness from Omicron.
John Campbell's video picks apart the latest South African study which presents a scientific rationale for what they have observed clinically - Omicron patients are mostly not getting sick.
Because Omicron is so infectious, it will soon completely displace Delta and no new variant will be able to surpass Omicron in infectiousness.
So, that will be the end of the pandemic. We will have Omicron as endemic.
On this scenario, Cambodia's vax program will not be a waste. Countries with low vax rates and low natural infection levels will suffer more serious sickness but that won't impact highly vaxed countries (except in economic terms in some instances). It could even be that there are no places with both low vax rates and low natural infection.
Everyone will be getting Omicron soon and once we've all had it, that's the end of the pandemic. Most of those of us lucky enough to have had the vax (and/or natural infection) won't be getting very sick.
But the sheer number of Omicron cases will create a short-lived health crisis over the next two or three months, as a small proportion of a huge number will be quite a lot.
Countries whose influencers have a prediliction for oppressive lockdowns etc will cause their citizens economic pain. The vaccine manufacturers will be likely to spin the narrative their way. The MSM are already showing a preference for promoting fear over science.
All the signs are that Cambodia will be handling it well, i.e. not panicking.

Basically I was quoting the countries that horde the vaccines, and the countries who are very far into their vaccination programs, other countries lag well behind, so in effect the pandemic will not end until those countries get too at least 75% of the people vaccinated. So the countries at such a level should now be thinking about that situation instead of round 4 booster shots..
I did notice the wording was aiming at first world countries, not particularly at countries such has Cambodia, how could a developing country be added to the list of hording vaccines. Unthinkable I would imagine.
You mention John Campbell, is he correct and should be listed too has a top authority on the subject?
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Việt Nam confirms 14,835 new COVID-19 cases on Saturday
01/01/22 23:47
(HÀ NỘI): — Việt Nam registered 14,835 new coronavirus patients on Saturday.

The total number of infections since the start of the pandemic now stands at 1,746,092.

Thirteen of the new infections were imported and the remaining domestic.

New transmissions were reported in 62 provinces and cities across the country.

Twenty cases of the Omicron variant have been recorded in Việt Nam, all of which were quarantined immediately after entry, in Hà Nội (1), Quảng Nam (14) and HCM City (5).

A total of 9,628 infections were detected in the community.
The capital city of Hà Nội continued to be the leading locality on the list, with 1,748 infections.
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AndyKK wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:28 pm
armchairlawyer wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:27 pm
AndyKK wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:12 am Has you may see I am not a great believer how the world health organisation has handled the pandemic up to now, also if they are right about the situation, other countries who have most of their people vaccinated should be thinking of the other countries who don't have vaccines for their own people. If they don't then it's not going to stop. All of Cambodia's vaccination program in effect could be a waste, and more so if their offering 4th booster shots.
Firstly, it depends on how much natural infection has occurred. In South Africa, the vax rate is low but it is believed the prior infection rate is high, this accounting for the low levels of sickness from Omicron.
John Campbell's video picks apart the latest South African study which presents a scientific rationale for what they have observed clinically - Omicron patients are mostly not getting sick.
Because Omicron is so infectious, it will soon completely displace Delta and no new variant will be able to surpass Omicron in infectiousness.
So, that will be the end of the pandemic. We will have Omicron as endemic.
On this scenario, Cambodia's vax program will not be a waste. Countries with low vax rates and low natural infection levels will suffer more serious sickness but that won't impact highly vaxed countries (except in economic terms in some instances). It could even be that there are no places with both low vax rates and low natural infection.
Everyone will be getting Omicron soon and once we've all had it, that's the end of the pandemic. Most of those of us lucky enough to have had the vax (and/or natural infection) won't be getting very sick.
But the sheer number of Omicron cases will create a short-lived health crisis over the next two or three months, as a small proportion of a huge number will be quite a lot.
Countries whose influencers have a prediliction for oppressive lockdowns etc will cause their citizens economic pain. The vaccine manufacturers will be likely to spin the narrative their way. The MSM are already showing a preference for promoting fear over science.
All the signs are that Cambodia will be handling it well, i.e. not panicking.

Basically I was quoting the countries that horde the vaccines, and the countries who are very far into their vaccination programs, other countries lag well behind, so in effect the pandemic will not end until those countries get too at least 75% of the people vaccinated. So the countries at such a level should now be thinking about that situation instead of round 4 booster shots..
I did notice the wording was aiming at first world countries, not particularly at countries such has Cambodia, how could a developing country be added to the list of hording vaccines. Unthinkable I would imagine.
You mention John Campbell, is he correct and should be listed too has a top authority on the subject?
Omicron will infect any populations that have low vax rates and lower prior infection rates much faster than any UN organised vaccination programme. Omicron will take months at most. Any vaccination programme will takes years. And if you believe Dr Campbell then that will be the end of the pandemic. No more vaccine required; let your T-Cells do their job.

But don't think that will dissuade people with vested interests to keep promoting endless vaccine boosters and global programmes. And don't think the PCR/Rapid test industries will give up their golden goose without a fight either.

Omicron is the best vaccine money cannot buy.
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More good news from South Africa.

If you catch Omicron (which we all will), after about 10 days you will develop a 14 fold increase in IgG's which neutralise it. Most people are over it is a week, often without even knowing they had it.

More good news: Once you get Omicron you will also develop a 4.4 fold increase in immunity from Delta.

Getting Alpha didn't offer much protection against Beta. Getting Beta didn't offer much protection against getting Delta. Getting Delta doesn't offer much protection against getting Omicron. But, getting Omicron does offer a greatly enhanced protection against Delta, and that one is a much more dangerous variant to catch.

And as Alpha and Beta are now gone, and Delta is rapidly disappearing from anywhere that has Omicron, Omicron is doing a job better than any vaccine produced so far.

Instead of Thailand and Cambodia quarantining Omicron patients they should pay them to go out on the town.

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A private jet full of Chinese whores should do the job, it worked last time.
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Doc67 wrote:More good news from South Africa.

If you catch Omicron (which we all will), after about 10 days you will develop a 14 fold increase in IgG's which neutralise it. Most people are over it is a week, often without even knowing they had it.

More good news: Once you get Omicron you will also develop a 4.4 fold increase in immunity from Delta.

Getting Alpha didn't offer much protection against Beta. Getting Beta didn't offer much protection against getting Delta. Getting Delta doesn't offer much protection against getting Omicron. But, getting Omicron does offer a greatly enhanced protection against Delta, and that one is a much more dangerous variant to catch.

And as Alpha and Beta are now gone, and Delta is rapidly disappearing from anywhere that has Omicron, Omicron is doing a job better than any vaccine produced so far.

Instead of Thailand and Cambodia quarantining Omicron patients they should pay them to go out on the town.

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There is a new variant identified in France said to originate in Cameroon. They have 1000 hospital admissions with over 300 on some type of ventilation therapy.
SARS-CoV-2 variants have become a major virological, epidemiological and clinical concern, particularly with regard to the risk of escape from vaccine-induced immunity. Here we describe the emergence of a new variant. For twelve SARS-CoV-positive patients living in the same geographical area of southeastern France, qPCR testing that screen for variant-associated mutations showed an atypical combination. The index case returned from a travel in Cameroon. The genomes were obtained by next-generation sequencing with Oxford Nanopore Technologies on GridION instruments within approximately 8 h. Their analysis revealed 46 mutations and 37 deletions resulting in 30 amino acid substitutions and 12 deletions. Fourteen amino acid substitutions, including N501Y and E484K, and 9 deletions are located in the spike protein. This genotype pattern led to create a new Pangolin lineage named B.1.640.2, which is a phylogenetic sister group to the old B.1.640 lineage renamed B.1.640.1. Both lineages differ by 25 nucleotide substitutions and 33 deletions. The mutation set and phylogenetic position of the genomes obtained here indicate based on our previous definition a new variant we named 'IHU'. These data are another example of the unpredictability of the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 variants, and of their introduction in a given geographical area from abroad.
Not much info on it yet other than it seems highly transmissible and severe

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 21268174v1
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