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The editors of Frontiers in Pharmacology have taken down an article about the use of the antiparasitic drug ivermectin in COVID-19 patients. The paper, which was written by members of an organization called the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), had been provisionally accepted and posted in abstract form by the journal in January, but was ultimately rejected this Monday (March 1). The editors determined that it contained unsubstantiated claims and violated the journal’s editorial policies.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opin ... tion-68505

The Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) is a small U.S. organization of physicians and former journalists formed in April 2020 that has advocated for various treatments for COVID-19, most of them ineffective (i.e. the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin) and some other drugs and vitamins of dubious efficacy.[1][2][3][4][5][6] The group is led by Paul E. Marik and Pierre Kory.[3]

The World Health Organization, U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and European Medicines Agency advise against the use of ivermectin for COVID-19 outside of clinical trials, but the FLCCC has contended that ivermectin could reduce viral load and accelerate recovery in patients

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Lin ... e_Alliance

Adults with mild Covid-19 who took a five-day course of the anti-parasite, tropical disease drug ivermectin showed no significant reduction in time to symptom resolution compared to patients taking placebo in a randomized, single-site clinical trial from Columbia.

The median time to symptom resolution among the 400 randomized patients (median age 37 years, 58% female) was 10 and 12-days in the ivermectin and placebo groups, respectively.

Researchers concluded that the study findings do not support the use of ivermectin for the treatment of mild Covid-19, but they added that larger trials may be needed to determine if the drug has efficacy for outcomes other than time to symptom resolution.

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/covid- ... no-benefit
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nemo wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:45 pm The editors of Frontiers in Pharmacology have taken down an article about the use of the antiparasitic drug ivermectin in COVID-19 patients. The paper, which was written by members of an organization called the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), had been provisionally accepted and posted in abstract form by the journal in January, but was ultimately rejected this Monday (March 1). The editors determined that it contained unsubstantiated claims and violated the journal’s editorial policies.
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opin ... tion-68505

The Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) is a small U.S. organization of physicians and former journalists formed in April 2020 that has advocated for various treatments for COVID-19, most of them ineffective (i.e. the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin) and some other drugs and vitamins of dubious efficacy.[1][2][3][4][5][6] The group is led by Paul E. Marik and Pierre Kory.[3]

The World Health Organization, U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and European Medicines Agency advise against the use of ivermectin for COVID-19 outside of clinical trials, but the FLCCC has contended that ivermectin could reduce viral load and accelerate recovery in patients

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Lin ... e_Alliance

Adults with mild Covid-19 who took a five-day course of the anti-parasite, tropical disease drug ivermectin showed no significant reduction in time to symptom resolution compared to patients taking placebo in a randomized, single-site clinical trial from Columbia.

The median time to symptom resolution among the 400 randomized patients (median age 37 years, 58% female) was 10 and 12-days in the ivermectin and placebo groups, respectively.

Researchers concluded that the study findings do not support the use of ivermectin for the treatment of mild Covid-19, but they added that larger trials may be needed to determine if the drug has efficacy for outcomes other than time to symptom resolution.

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/covid- ... no-benefit
So, although vax'd, if (god forbid) you did end up in hospital with severe covid and are laying there gasping for air, effectively dying and the doctor had ivermectin as part of the over-all protocol to treat you, please take a print out of this article and refuse ivermectin...easy.
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Where do they offer it as treatment?
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nemo wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:09 pm Where do they offer it as treatment?
No idea, but that's not addressing the point. Like I said, print your article out, carry it just in case you need to refuse ivermectin as part of a protocol that may or may not be offered to you by a medical professional. Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong, but you seem to have a strong opinion regarding ivermectin, so roll with that.
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Hospitals do not offer it as treatment as it is so far unsupported by clinical trials.
One hospital in chicago was ordered to furnish it by a court, but the order was overturned by a higher court within hours as using it goes against the advice of CDC, WHO, FDA and the AMA- organizations that carry more weight than some bogus handful of "frontline' doctors who have already voluntarily pulled their own research paper when challenged.

So, unlikely to be forced to take it.
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nemo wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:09 pm Where do they offer it as treatment?
Look at https://covid19criticalcare.com/

There are medics using it in USA, South Africa, Brazil, India.
And of course there was the population sweep in Uttar Pradesh in India. The WHO commended the success of this initiative (in an area where vaccination was unavailable to most people). But sadly the WHO webpage did not have space to mention that the primary part of the COVID prevention/treatment kit was....yep, you guessed it, Ivermectin.
The WHO could only find space to say that "medicine kits" were distributed.

https://www.who.int/india/news/feature- ... p-covid-19
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John Bingham wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:02 am
Hello Everyone,
My name is John Campbell and I am a retired Nurse Teacher and A and E nurse based in England.
:shock:
nemo wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:59 am Yes, he is not a GP or medical practitioner.
timmydownawell wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:01 am
John Bingham wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:02 am
Hello Everyone,
My name is John Campbell and I am a retired Nurse Teacher and A and E nurse based in England.
:shock:
He's a doctor in philosophy so it's ok, he's a real doctor.
I'd believe him a whole lot more if he wore a white coat... :stir:

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timmydownawell wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:01 am
John Bingham wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:02 am
Hello Everyone,
My name is John Campbell and I am a retired Nurse Teacher and A and E nurse based in England.
:shock:
He's a doctor in philosophy so it's ok, he's a real doctor.
I know you love your misinformation but to be clear, he has a medical PhD. And a lot of respect from medical practitioners.
If you watch his videos, eg the one on Pfeizer and Ivermectin, you will see he constantly says, "don't take my word for it, here is the evidence from published journals". And he provides the links so we can read them. This is why he is respected. But one has to put the effort in to listen and to read as opposed to firing off uninformed glib remarks.
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nemo wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:45 pm
Adults with mild Covid-19 who took a five-day course of the anti-parasite, tropical disease drug ivermectin showed no significant reduction in time to symptom resolution compared to patients taking placebo in a randomized, single-site clinical trial from Columbia.
The findings were published online March 4 in JAMA by Eduardo Lopez-Medinia, MD, and colleagues from the Estudios en Infectologia Pediatrica, Cali, Columbia.
https://www.physiciansweekly.com/covid- ... no-benefit
The fact that this article spelt Colombia incorrectly, not once but twice, casts serious doubts over the veracity of the website. If they are that sloppy I have no confidence in their other fact checking skills.
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armchairlawyer wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:25 pm
nemo wrote: Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:09 pm Where do they offer it as treatment?
Look at https://covid19criticalcare.com/

There are medics using it in USA, South Africa, Brazil, India.
And of course there was the population sweep in Uttar Pradesh in India. The WHO commended the success of this initiative (in an area where vaccination was unavailable to most people). But sadly the WHO webpage did not have space to mention that the primary part of the COVID prevention/treatment kit was....yep, you guessed it, Ivermectin.
The WHO could only find space to say that "medicine kits" were distributed.

https://www.who.int/india/news/feature- ... p-covid-19
That first link is to the FLCCC which is not a reliable source

2 fringe doctors created the myth that ivermectin is a 'miracle cure' for COVID-19 — whipping up false hope that could have deadly consequences

....... But Kory and Marik, through the FLCCC, have led millions of people (including the podcast host Joe Rogan and many of his followers) to believe that hard data from around the world supports the treatment of COVID-19 with ivermectin. Some of it comes from studies that cite data that has been found not to exist. In other instances, they cherry-pick information or jump to conclusions about ivermectin's role in ending illnesses in a way that makes ivermectin sound more effective against COVID-19 than it is.https://www.businessinsider.com/why-ive ... rge-2021-9

Fringe Doctors’ Groups Promote Ivermectin for COVID despite a Lack of Evidence

The organizations touting unproved protocols for the antiparasitic drug may be harming vaccination efforts

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... evidence/#
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