Doc67 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:29 am This is new. SARS1 and MERS all went through many mutations before it became the finished article (all well documented) and in both cases the intermediate host was identified quickly.

Sorry Doc - but this is important.
1/ It look a number of years to pin down the immediate hosts of SARS1 and MERS. NOT quick at all.
Certainly not within 18 months.
2/ And the many mutations syndrome absolutely could fit/explain the "natural source" COVID-2 theory.
In fact it is totally in line with that theory and helps explain why we haven't discovered the immediate host yet. Exactly the same as SARS1 and MERS.


as far as i can figure anyway ^^
NB. I am still totally open. More open than before to the accidental escape theory.
Not pushing any particular explanation until more Science, and the CIA's Intel, comes thru.

CEOCambodiaNews wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:18 pm Delta variant causes more than 90% of new Covid cases in UK
Variant first discovered in India is thought to spread more easily and be more resistant to vaccines
Nicola Davis Science correspondent
Fri 11 Jun 2021 11.15 BST

More than 90% of Covid cases in the UK are now down to the coronavirus Delta variant first discovered in India, data has revealed, as the total number of confirmed cases passed 42,000.

Also known as B.1.617.2, the Delta variant has been linked to a rise in Covid cases in the UK in the past weeks. It is believed to spread more easily than the Alpha variant, B.1.1.7, that was first detected in Kent, and is somewhat more resistant to Covid vaccines, particularly after just one dose. It may be also associated with a greater risk of hospitalisation.

Now Public Health England (PHE) has revealed that up to 96% of new Covid cases in the UK involve the Delta variant, and that it has about a 60% increased risk of household transmission compared with the Alpha variant.

The report further revealed that cases of the virus are doubling between every 4.5 and 11.5 days, depending on the region, while confirmed cases to date have risen by 29,892 to 42,323.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ases-in-uk

The UK media are desperately trying to have a blanket ban on the word Indian, and only use the phrase Delta. A pathetic attempt to cover up the most stupid and reckless actions of the UK government in allowing travel from India.

April 15th*, first discovered in the UK. By June 11th, it now accounts for more than 90% of all cases and cases are surging again. That's some fuck up in less than 2 months.

*https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... a-found-uk

There's only 24 letters in the ole Greek alphabet. What they gonna do when the 25th variant is discovered, (prob quite soon)?
And don't Greeks mind that all China Virus variants are implied to be of Greek origin?

^^^ Seems to me most UKers got the AZ shot. But here's a short report on two preprint studies:

Headline: Vaccines protect against variants despite diminished antibodies

The one-dose Johnson & Johnson (JNJ.N) COVID-19 vaccine and the two-dose vaccine from Pfizer (PFE.N) and BioNTech appear to protect against worrisome coronavirus variants despite diminished levels of antibodies that can neutralize the newer versions of the virus, two studies in the journal Nature suggest.

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-06-11/

xandreu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:04 am

Doc67 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:19 am

CEOCambodiaNews wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:18 pm Delta variant causes more than 90% of new Covid cases in UK
Variant first discovered in India is thought to spread more easily and be more resistant to vaccines
Nicola Davis Science correspondent
Fri 11 Jun 2021 11.15 BST

More than 90% of Covid cases in the UK are now down to the coronavirus Delta variant first discovered in India, data has revealed, as the total number of confirmed cases passed 42,000.

Also known as B.1.617.2, the Delta variant has been linked to a rise in Covid cases in the UK in the past weeks. It is believed to spread more easily than the Alpha variant, B.1.1.7, that was first detected in Kent, and is somewhat more resistant to Covid vaccines, particularly after just one dose. It may be also associated with a greater risk of hospitalisation.

Now Public Health England (PHE) has revealed that up to 96% of new Covid cases in the UK involve the Delta variant, and that it has about a 60% increased risk of household transmission compared with the Alpha variant.

The report further revealed that cases of the virus are doubling between every 4.5 and 11.5 days, depending on the region, while confirmed cases to date have risen by 29,892 to 42,323.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ases-in-uk

The UK media are desperately trying to have a blanket ban on the word Indian, and only use the phrase Delta. A pathetic attempt to cover up the most stupid and reckless actions of the UK government in allowing travel from India.

April 15th*, first discovered in the UK. By June 11th, it now accounts for more than 90% of all cases and cases are surging again. That's some fuck up in less than 2 months.

*https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... a-found-uk

So are the vaccines working against this variant or not? If cases are 'surging', this would indicate that they aren't. In which case, are we back to square one? Has the 'success' of the vaccine roll-out been utterly useless? Just what is the long-term plan now? Is this the new normal? An endless cycle of lock-downs, vaccine programmes, new variants, lock-downs, vaccine programmes, new variants etc...

Not a lot of clarity coming from the UK government. Which is surprising because they usually seem so on the ball. :sarcasm:

I think the surging is in areas that have been vaccine hesitant. These are also the areas - Asian ones - that brought it back into the country and now, coupled with the low take-up rates, have created a perfect storm for some areas. Bolton for example.
They have ramped up efforts since then and now there seems to be a rush to get vaccinated, but it is too late now.

I doubt if the government will reveal detailed hospitalisation and death statistics for those who refused a vaccine, were unvaccinated due to age and those who where vaccinated but still ended up very sick. I have zero sympathy for the refusers.

So far, they vaccines seem to be working, as predicted by the boffins. Unfortunately, also as predicted by them, so too is the extra virulence of this variant and these numbers are only going one way, and quickly. We still have too many people unvaccinated by virtue of age and also those with just one shot.

If we had completely sealed the border from ANYONE with a travel history from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh in March, when this was first identified, we would have bought ourselves an extra few months to complete the vaccination campaign. (It will always find a wat in eventually). But we invited it in the door and now the country is going to pay a very heavy price for idiocy of Johnson and Company (another one).

xandreu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:04 am So are the vaccines working against this variant or not? If cases are 'surging', this would indicate that they aren't. In which case, are we back to square one? Has the 'success' of the vaccine roll-out been utterly useless? Just what is the long-term plan now? Is this the new normal? An endless cycle of lock-downs, vaccine programmes, new variants, lock-downs, vaccine programmes, new variants etc...

I think to answer this, we have to break it down. In my mind, there are these sorts of facets as to whether vaccines 'work':

1. Did it stop you getting Covid?
2. You got Covid and did it stop you from getting very sick?
3. You got Covid and did it stop you from going to hospital?
4. You got Covid and did it stop you from dying?
5. You got Covid and did it stop you transmitting it to someone else?

There was a vid I posted on this earlier and evidence so far suggests all vaccines are very good with 2, 3 and 4. With 1 and 5 that depends on which type of vaccine and Covid variant.

With the new variants, I think they will have to tweak the vaccines to suit on a periodic basis as they do with the flu vaccine. So there'll be ongoing 'catch up' for a long time imo.

^^
Just to extend on my earlier point..I just saw this news headline:

2 people tested positive for COVID-19 on a cruise ship that operators boasted was 95% vaccinated

Shock, horror The vaccines don't work...

Well, for a start..

1. they didn't vaccinate 100% of the passengers

2. I'm unaware of any vaccine that revealed 100% prevention of transmission in their testing

3. the 2 that tested positive were asymptomatic

Full: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/2-pe ... ted-2021-6

clutchcargo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:09 pm ^^
Just to extend on my earlier point..I just saw this news headline:

2 people tested positive for COVID-19 on a cruise ship that operators boasted was 95% vaccinated

Shock, horror The vaccines don't work...

Well, for a start..

1. they didn't vaccinate 100% of the passengers

2. I'm unaware of any vaccine that revealed 100% prevention of transmission in their testing

3. the 2 that tested positive were asymptomatic

Full: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/2-pe ... ted-2021-6

Back when the world was normal the above asymptomatic people would:

1. Not be tested for anything;

2. Not have a clue they were infected;

3. Lived happily every after.

I think when you have a 95% vaccination it's time to stop the endless testing and wait to se if anyone actually gets sick. No news is good news.

If the cruise operators were so worried about the health of their passengers, they could stop facilitating the endless stuffing of their faces with all you can eat food, 24 hours a day.