How much do you guys correct your girlfriend's English?

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Re: How much do you guys correct your girlfriend's English?

Post by jubo2 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:28 pm

explorer wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:18 pm
jubo2 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:49 pm
I gave up ! so boring ! they never learn, it's hopeless.
They are all different individuals. Some do learn. Some are keen to learn.

The real questions are: What is the best approach to take, to be most effective? What will motivate them the most? What will result in them learning the most?

All different ? not my experience ! At the end the only thing that i hear is LAZY, BORING, DIFFICULT, etc...
These are the words that they know the best !
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Re: How much do you guys correct your girlfriend's English?

Post by lipservice » Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:41 pm

If I was her then I'd run back to the Khmer hills and leave you to your expectations
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Re: How much do you guys correct your girlfriend's English?

Post by explorer » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:05 pm

There are hundreds of Cambodian girls who speak English well. What was the difference?
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Re: How much do you guys correct your girlfriend's English?

Post by John Bingham » Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:29 pm

Hundreds? I meet thousands through work every year, year on year, and I've been here a while. There is a whole big world out there yet some cannot see it.
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Re: How much do you guys correct your girlfriend's English?

Post by Anthony's Weiner » Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:58 pm

John Bingham wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:29 pm
Hundreds? I meet thousands through work every year, year on year, and I've been here a while. There is a whole big world out there yet some cannot see it.
It is best to meet English speaking girls in the village. For example, one day I was walking in the village and a Khmer came up to me and said "what a big smile you have!" and another day I was in Phnom Penh and walked around smiling all day and no one said anything to me.
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Re: How much do you guys correct your girlfriend's English?

Post by hunter8 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:02 pm

I am curious where these hundreds and thousands of good English speakers are hiding. I have a hard time understanding hotel or restaurant staff most of the time and they are supposed to be trained on that subject, and have a lot of experience dealing with tourists.

By far, the best speakers of English i have seen so far are bar girls but those who speak well are rare even among them. Not that i care much as i prefer to practice Khmer.
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Re: How much do you guys correct your girlfriend's English?

Post by armchairlawyer » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:09 pm

hunter8 wrote:
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The biggest problem Cambodians and other SEA nations have with English is not grammar but mispronouncing, especially when they completely omit consonant endings, sometimes half the word. You hear it all the time from waitresses “Sir, you fini?” Of course, from the context we understand they mean the word “finished”. In other cases there is no context or it’s unclear and I often have to ask them to say again. Which is a loss of face for many of them, that is why your girlfriend shuts down after you correct her. I am sure I sound as awful when I try to speak Khmer.
Agree hugely. And it is not only Asians. There are many people in the UK now to whom English is not a first language. But they have been there so long that their vocab and grammar is excellent and their fluency is superb. The problem is their thick accent. You can understand them when they speak slowly but as their fluency improves, they become incomprehensible. Latin and African first language speakers are the worst.
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Re: How much do you guys correct your girlfriend's English?

Post by John Bingham » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:07 pm

hunter8 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:02 pm
I am curious where these hundreds and thousands of good English speakers are hiding. I have a hard time understanding hotel or restaurant staff most of the time and they are supposed to be trained on that subject, and have a lot of experience dealing with tourists.

By far, the best speakers of English i have seen so far are bar girls but those who speak well are rare even among them. Not that i care much as i prefer to practice Khmer.
Nobody said hundreds of thousands. They are hiding in plain sight in the better establishments and in professions outside of the tourist industry. Most visitors will never encounter them but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Similarly most visitors to London just go to a few sights and never get to see the bigger picture either.
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Re: How much do you guys correct your girlfriend's English?

Post by hunter8 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:26 pm

Very intriguing.
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Re: How much do you guys correct your girlfriend's English?

Post by armchairlawyer » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:36 pm

hunter8 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:26 pm
Very intriguing.
I think it's true that tourist jobs are generally not that well paid and only demand a certain level of English, even in the luxury hotels.
Levels of English can be a lot better in other professions, e.g. banking and international business. In my opinion, that level is still well below that of a well-educated Westerner, but that does not matter if the necessary level of communication can take place. On the other hand, in Hong Kong and Singapore you will notice quite a difference.
Another thing worth mentioning is the low level of international knowledge here. Spoken and written English may be good but literacy is rarely strong. People here do not have a culture of reading books and acquiring general knowledge for its own sake. That does not stop them being very well versed in whatever they need to function on their particular job. But if you are looking for social relationships, you are likely to notice a difference from people in similar jobs in the West. Again, in HK and SG it is different.
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