Show $2000: Kenyan Woman Refused on Flight to Phnom Penh from Bangkok

frizzie77 · Post by **frizzie77** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:37 pm

Quite sure there's more to it than what is being reported.
Nobody has mentioned the odd route she chose: first to Istanbul and then to Bangkok, while there are numerous direct flights between Nairobi and Bangkok and the cheaper non-direct are via Doha. So why via Istanbul which is both a longer flight duration and more expensive than via Doha. Could that have been the red flag in Bangkok?

Another odd thing: "When Renee Ezra woke up on the morning of October 7 to the nudging impulse to travel, she easily chose Cambodia as her destination". Really? You wake up and think: OK, Cambodia it is, let's go and let's go right now!

Plus of course the amount of Kenyan currency in her purse. What was she going to do with that in Cambodia?

Cruisemonkey · Post by **Cruisemonkey** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:55 pm

AnaPol wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:06 am There is always more to the story than JUST what any of these guys, ( here and on Thai visa) say when they were refused entry.

Not in my case. The Thai Immigration assholes just decided to extort 2000 baht out of me.

fax · Post by **fax** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:11 pm

frizzie77 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:37 pm Really? You wake up and think: OK, Cambodia it is, let's go and let's go right now!

That's pretty much what I did. I think it was 6 days before departure that I arranged my flight. Or as No Joke would have said: stopped being a bitch, quit my lame ass job and moved to Cambodia.

CEOCambodiaNews · Post by **CEOCambodiaNews** » Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:13 am

More problems for African travellers ?
From Facebook Cambodia Visa and Work Permit Group today:
It appears that the FB OP here is travelling on an African passport from Uganda, but was attempting to fly to Cambodia from another Asian country (China).
Note that in general, only nationals from African countries are asked to show cash before boarding for Phnom Penh.

Post by **Clutch Cargo** » Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:17 am

CEOCambodiaNews wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:13 am More problems for African travellers ?
From Facebook Cambodia Visa and Work Permit Group today:
It appears that the FB OP here is travelling on an African passport from Uganda, but was attempting to fly to Cambodia from another Asian country (China).
Note that in general, only nationals from African countries are asked to show cash before boarding for Phnom Penh.

Probably stating the obvious but sounds like it's irrelevant what country you're travelling/transiting from but what passport you hold for these extra requirements. In this case, travelling from China altho it's unclear whether the OP was merely in transit or otherwise. Would it have made any difference if the OP had been working or such like in China for a year?

Darkcel · Post by **Darkcel** » Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:33 am

They have ATMs in the airport, sounds like they just rocked up with 35 bucks in hand and said "I'm staying with my friend, he lives in Phnom Penh!" And once they were asked to show proof of funds they didn't have it. Each flight I've came here on there will be one African going to the atm with immigration officers in tow, yes it's racist but we cannot change that

BaronVonBaron · Post by **BaronVonBaron** » Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:12 am

Darkcel wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:33 am They have ATMs in the airport, sounds like they just rocked up with 35 bucks in hand and said "I'm staying with my friend, he lives in Phnom Penh!" And once they were asked to show proof of funds they didn't have it. Each flight I've came here on there will be one African going to the atm with immigration officers in tow, yes it's racist but we cannot change that

That's unfair. Just because the traveler didn't have $2000 in cash doesn't mean that the traveler "just rocked up with 35 bucks in hand."

PSD-Kiwi · Post by **PSD-Kiwi** » Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:21 am

CEOCambodiaNews wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:13 am More problems for African travellers ?
From Facebook Cambodia Visa and Work Permit Group today:
It appears that the FB OP here is travelling on an African passport from Uganda, but was attempting to fly to Cambodia from another Asian country (China).
Note that in general, only nationals from African countries are asked to show cash before boarding for Phnom Penh.

This has been happening very regularly, and not just to passport holders from African Nations, also passport holders South Asian and some Middle Eastern Countries. Sometimes they aren't asked by the airlines, or they travel via land border, and make it to Cambodia only to be denied entry upon arrival for not having up to $2000 cash on their person or other such requirements such as a hotel booking, etc. It is not limited to those with darker skin tones, many white African passport holders have experienced the same. It is based on the passport, not the countries they have travelled from or through.

Many travellers from these countries also have faced problems entering the country on an E-type (Ordinary) Visa which they applied for in advance from a Cambodian Embassy/Consulate with all of the necessary supporting documentation, the DoI are now stating that they need to present a Letter of Approval issued by the DoI, which has to be applied for by their inviting employer or educational institute.

The Immigration officers are telling these travellers that these are official entry requirements, the problem is though that the DoI have not published anything official stating that these travellers need to have $2000 in CASH to enter the country, or that they need to have a hotel booking, or itinerary, etc. This unfortunately results in many travellers either being denied check-in for their flight, or denied entry on arrival.

If the DoI are going to apply these requirements, then they need to be transparent about it and publicly publish an official directive clearly outlining what the requirements are.

cabron · Post by **cabron** » Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:30 am

Doc67 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:18 am Who carries $2000 in cash? That's a ridiculous requirement.

However, it does beg the question as to why you would travel with Kenyan shillings because I would be amazed if you could get anyone to exchange them here.

Can you imagine the organised robberies from PP airport if they knew everyone foreigner had to have $2000 cash on them. The savy travelers should have at least $3000 in cash with him, never rely on plastic money.

armchairlawyer · Post by **armchairlawyer** » Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:04 pm

cabron wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:30 am
Doc67 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:18 am Who carries $2000 in cash? That's a ridiculous requirement.

However, it does beg the question as to why you would travel with Kenyan shillings because I would be amazed if you could get anyone to exchange them here.

Can you imagine the organised robberies from PP airport if they knew everyone foreigner had to have $2000 cash on them. The savy travelers should have at least $3000 in cash with him, never rely on plastic money.

Actually bag-snatching from tuktuks on the way into town from the airport has long been a thing.

And it's true that it is becoming normal in western countries to use cash only rarely.

So a requirement to carry big cash into countries is becoming less reasonable.

I have great sympathy for the Asian authorities in this matter.
They know the evidence clearly shows that the different nationalities and races have very different profiles when it comes to how much money they will contribute while they are here, how likely they are to commit crimes, how likely they are to work illegally, be trafficked, and how likely they are to end up broke. Yes, i know there are many exceptions but the generalisations are valid.
AFAIK, there is nothing in any Asian law to prevent differentiating on grounds of race or nationality.
Asian culture has not been influenced by the considerable amount of official anti-racist ideology that has been prominent in tne West (from schools upwards) and which has changed attitudes in the West enormously. In the 1970s, there was the white Australia immigration policy, in the UK in the 1960s - no blacks or dogs signs on properties to let. The USA has obvious examples. So, it's inevitable that an incipient racism remains throughout Asia whereas it has been reduced to a bare minimum in the West.
It's just common sense to make administrative decisions based on the evidence. In the West we say, no you can't do that if the evidence is race or nationality based. OK, that's the West's choice, for better or for worse, but it's not fair to insist the whole world follows suit.
PSD makes the point that the policies should be openly declared and specified. Well, that would be nice but we know why they aren't. That would make Asian governmemts vulnerable to getting lectured for being racist and they would rather not face the flack.

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