Honda motorbike dealer issues

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Re: Honda motorbike dealer issues

Post by talltuktuk » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:20 am

beaker wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:12 am
That looks like a timing chain adjuster to me with parts of it removed.
That is a very critical part if it fails it could cause catastrophic engine failure.

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Yes this looks correct:

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He said it needed to be replaced to fix “the noise.” There is a noticeable clicking/tapping noise when running that I keep trying to have them address whenever I have it in for service but they always assure me that it’s normal. I dealt with this on a Kawi dirt bike and replacing the cam tensioner fixed the issue. They also said it was not important to replace it, but if a cam tensioner is failing and making that much noise, it needs to be changed. The drive-it-into-the-ground mentality is so strong here.
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Re: Honda motorbike dealer issues

Post by beaker » Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:26 pm

talltuktuk wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:20 am
beaker wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:12 am
That looks like a timing chain adjuster to me with parts of it removed.
That is a very critical part if it fails it could cause catastrophic engine failure.

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Yes this looks correct:

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He said it needed to be replaced to fix “the noise.” There is a noticeable clicking/tapping noise when running that I keep trying to have them address whenever I have it in for service but they always assure me that it’s normal. I dealt with this on a Kawi dirt bike and replacing the cam tensioner fixed the issue. They also said it was not important to replace it, but if a cam tensioner is failing and making that much noise, it needs to be changed. The drive-it-into-the-ground mentality is so strong here.
The valves can't be adjusted properly if it has 'jumped timing' so the timing marks will need to be exposed and checked also. That would be the reason that they have adjusted the valve lash correctly , according to the cam marks, but you still hear them as 'clicking'
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Re: Honda motorbike dealer issues

Post by andy1 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:29 pm

if it has been rattling for a while i woud also replace the chain and guides.
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Re: Honda motorbike dealer issues

Post by whatwat » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:02 pm

That looks like a hydraulic tappet. No adjustment possible.

If the tensioner is faulty you’ll get slap.
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Re: Honda motorbike dealer issues

Post by Bitte_Kein_Lexus » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:21 pm

It sounds like you're new to the whole Cambodian bike thing. The dealers don't like doing significant work (piston changes, etc). They only do smaller cosmetic stuff and adjustments for the first 20 000km or so. The older the bike, the less likely they are to work on it. The Honda dealer on Monivong is where I go, but as mentioned, they don't really want to open up the bike. It's also awkward as a customer since you need to either hang out there all day or come back same day. They're busy with a lot of people coming in for routine adjustments. I find them good for carb adjustments. I think the most significant thing I ever did there was changing the steering stem bearings. You're better off finding a normal corner mechanic. Results will vary...

More importantly, if you really wanted a tight running bike, so should have bought a new one. It's weird to hear someone intentionally buying a second-hand bike, then complaining about its past history ,along with current issues with said bike. That being said, I also think you also worry too much. It's a bit pointless to do valve adjustments on these bikes. I used to worry like you, but stopped. I do valve check myself on my dirtbike because I don't trust anyone else, but have never done them on my scooter (which has like 40 000km now, bought new). I'm convinced I could run my bike on cooking oil and it would take thousands of km before it would have any adverse effect on it. The tolerances for those valves are probably so big, and the piston compression is looser than a wizard's sleeve. The automatics have a few more finicky issues as far as I know.

If you're really keen on getting your valves adjusted, just find a local mechanic and watch them do it. Either way, avoid the dealer. They sell bikes and do minor adjustments. They don't even stock many parts (plastics etc), you have to get those elsewhere.
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Re: Honda motorbike dealer issues

Post by IraHayes » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:20 pm

A tale of Honda build quality.

A long time ago in a far away land a man bought a used CBR6... early 90s model. Just after buying it he found himself out of work but as the bike had been purchased for cash he kept it as his only means of transport.
What followed was 3 years of zero maintenance, part worn tyres and no carb balancing.

After this time a bike mag (Ride i think it was) stepped in and did a full strip down check on every last part.

Long story short. The oil was still within grade, Carbs were well out of balance but easily fixed, valve clearances etc were within tolerance, it required nothing doing except fresh oil and the carbs balancing.

The guy put over 30k miles on the clock in 3 years too.

Seriously, you are stressing over nothing. As others have said... oil changes and air filter are about it.
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Re: Honda motorbike dealer issues

Post by whatwat » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:42 pm

Honda wouldn’t repair my mates Honda Icon “Too old”.
His wife has a three year old Dream, bought from them, and he asked them to strip it and clean the centrifuge magneto thing out of sludge, which you’re supposed to do. “No. Just oil and clean bike sir”.
Saying that it’s still going after 60k with no issues and all she does is oil change and get the chain checked and adjusted.

Someone told me the Dreams engine are 50s technology with some tweaks.
“If it ain’t broke don’t fix it” etc.
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Re: Honda motorbike dealer issues

Post by Jerry Atrick » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:05 pm

Without going full Akira level OCD, I disagree strongly enough with the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" ethos espoused above.

Valve checks commonly are called for at 1k, 20k, 40k etc, varying by manufacturer and application.

It's an easy job, takes all of 15 minutes and is the difference between eventual engine failure and a scooter that can run for years and years longer.
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Re: Honda motorbike dealer issues

Post by whatwat » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:29 pm

What’s Akira?
I agree to a degree but I don’t think that logic applies to small capacity scooters/motos. I doubt any motos you see on the road in Cambodia have ever had the valves checked.
I just checked my user manual (Yamaha) and it doesn’t even mention if and when.

True for bigger bikes - say 200cc and up - but then it’ll be obvious because the bike probably won’t start or run rough. Usually the gap closes up not loosens so you’ll often not hear a tapping noise.

I don’t think having incorrect valve clearances means engine failure full stop. Maybe over many months it’ll wear the cylinder bores due to wrong mixture or burn the valves/seats out but that would be easily fixable.
The ethos here is don’t fix it until it fucks up.
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Re: Honda motorbike dealer issues

Post by Duncan » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:03 pm

whatwat wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:29 pm
What’s Akira?
I agree to a degree but I don’t think that logic applies to small capacity scooters/motos. I doubt any motos you see on the road in Cambodia have ever had the valves checked.
I just checked my user manual (Yamaha) and it doesn’t even mention if and when.

True for bigger bikes - say 200cc and up - but then it’ll be obvious because the bike probably won’t start or run rough. Usually the gap closes up not loosens so you’ll often not hear a tapping noise.

I don’t think having incorrect valve clearances means engine failure full stop. Maybe over many months it’ll wear the cylinder bores due to wrong mixture or burn the valves/seats out but that would be easily fixable.
The ethos here is don’t fix it until it fucks up.


What’s Akira?

Not what, but who.


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