SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:40 am
frank lee bent wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:28 am
Maybe stick to unseating your own communist government karmageddon.
Please note that since the fall of the Gang of Four, the Communist Party of New Zealand has taken a firmly anti-Mao/pro-Albania flavour under the leadership of Jacinda Ardern.

"After the fall of the Gang of Four, the CPNZ leadership, supported by ten of the twelve branches of the CPNZ, rejected the policies of the post-Mao China leadership, in particular the “theory of three worlds” and came out in support of the line of the Party of Labour of Albania."

Fascinating article here on the strength of Anti-Revisionism resolve in NZ's ruling party..
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/n ... /index.htm
What a load of old bollocks. Either you are being deliberately obtuse or you dont have the slightest clue about NZ politics. I favour the latter but am prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt bearing in mind I dont know you and you could well be a senile old fart who has spent too long in the sun.

not obtuse, sarcastic

angkorjohn2 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:51 pm "socialism" and "communism" . . . some may argue they are founded on Christian principles (in the way Jesus taught them in the Bible) which makes me wonder why so many GOP and Trump fans who claim to be Christians are appalled by them

exactly
'Capitalism can’t be reconciled with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth':
https://www.plough.com/en/topics/faith/ ... capitalism

the ad is full of irony, and worse

The coin holders are telling them to propagate fear as it damages their earnings.

Well, that was quite a reaction to my offering, but it is noted that none of my detractors rebuffed the points I made. Rather, they shot off on obtuse angles.

Look at clips from Cambodia, 1969.
Look at the cheerful faces.
No way could those innocents have imagined the unimaginable that would unfold just a handful of years into the future.
Or that it would be conducted by their own countrymen.

I did not start this topic or theme.
I simply made quick, off the top of my head comparisons in response to it.
Those comparisons appear to have caused the usual suspects some discomfort.

Will those characters now rebuff my comparisons, and in doing so provide justification for their attacks on my list, or will they persist with distractions?

P.S. I thought of a few more valid comparisons through yesterday.
I should have jotted them down because now only one remains in my mind:

- to conceal your true intentions, pretend to be GREEN when really you are RED. Do this by creating an existential threat and offer yourselves as the only viable saviors. With the removal of Sihanouk, con the peasants into the mind-set that without a ruling royal figurehead then how could the country continue to exist as such? How could the rains continue to fall? ... the crops continue to grow?
It is the 'Watermelon Tactic': green on the outside, but red inside. It was how Hanoi conned the outside world and its own people, by pretending to be nationalists when the reality was an intent to turn all of Indochina Red under Hanoi's domain and emplace it in the Soviet global orb.

AOC's chief of staff has admitted that her Green New Deal has nothing to do with Climate Change and everything to do with imposing a new economic order on the United States. Ban fossil fuels and airplanes and cars. Back to Year Zero.

Reds under the bed.

Karma wrote
".. any dumb-arse Khmer peasant who actually swallowed the pre-1975 Khmer Rouge bullshit.."

Karma, the reason it was so easy for the "dumb-arse peasants" to swallow the bullshit was that every right minded person in the country became appalled, terrified and pissed off with the illegal and unconscionable US campaign of carpet bombing innocent villages.

The KR could not have grown from a few thousand in '69 to complete victory in '75 without R Nixon and H Kissinger.

( IMO only
.. and the general consensus of history)

It was the corrupt elite that gave rise to the KR!

Yobbo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:37 am It was the corrupt elite that gave rise to the KR!

In a sense, yes.
But they had a corrupt elite for a long long time before that.
Sure, there had been some kick back from the citizenery, but it was not until 1970 that the tide started turning in terms of serious armed revolt by masses of the population.

The people did not cross that line because of any leftist arguments against the corrupt ruling elite. Or any politics at all.
The touch stone was the bombing - and when the ruling powers corruption and other excesses turned seriously deadly (for every single cambodian) when they fully signed up to america's war.

Not to mention that the bombing and other war induced chaos allowed the KR to win tactically.
imo

SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:04 am

Yobbo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:37 am It was the corrupt elite that gave rise to the KR!

In a sense, yes.
But they had a corrupt elite for a long long time before that.
Sure, there had been some kick back from the citizenery, but it was not until 1970 that the tide started turning in terms of serious armed revolt by masses of the population.

The people did not cross that line because of any leftist arguments against the corrupt ruling elite. Or any politics at all.
The touch stone was the bombing - and when the ruling powers corruption and other excesses turned seriously deadly (for every single cambodian) when they fully signed up to america's war.

Not to mention that the bombing and other war induced chaos allowed the KR to win tactically.
imo

The bomb still ticks
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