How come the hotels are owned but restaurants are managed?

frank lee bent wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:24 am I mentioned that even the market stalls in psar leu have been taken over and got furious denial from members here esp that half Irish fool who infests TOF and is married to a PRC citizen.

It is true despite the Wu Mao apologist propaganda.

Wait a sec here...is it ok to insinuate a person is a 'fool' now?

it seems it hasn't always been.....

just sayin'

Bertros

Anchor Moy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:25 pm

According to Narin, there are currently 156 hotels and guesthouses in Preah Sihanouk province, of which 150 are Chinese-owned.

Of the total 436 restaurants in the province, 95 per cent are managed by Chinese nationals.

Shocking figures that seem excessive to me, because for example, that would leave only 22 non-Chinese restaurants in the whole of Sihanouk province, but who am I to argue with the Chief of Police.

But do the maths.

Don't know the maths AM but oucheteal had one Khmer restaurant left I heard last Month and that was going. As I heard from a Khmer friend 2 good Khmer restaurants left. Heard a lot wouldn't even let the locals in. Stories from friends and visitors so not my experience but this rings true... Though moto shops, mom and pop stalls if they are included?

See what will slowly happen in the capital. Take a drive down Monivong road 1 and into it's side streets.
99 year leases will be three generations to the Khmers. There's Chinese with citesenship now buying land's and not only for themselves.

angkorjohn2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:07 pm

Anchor Moy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:25 pm

According to Narin, there are currently 156 hotels and guesthouses in Preah Sihanouk province, of which 150 are Chinese-owned.

Of the total 436 restaurants in the province, 95 per cent are managed by Chinese nationals.

Shocking figures that seem excessive to me, because for example, that would leave only 22 non-Chinese restaurants in the whole of Sihanouk province, but who am I to argue with the Chief of Police.

But do the maths.

Don't know the maths AM but oucheteal had one Khmer restaurant left I heard last Month and that was going. As I heard from a Khmer friend 2 good Khmer restaurants left. Heard a lot wouldn't even let the locals in. Stories from friends and visitors so not my experience but this rings true... Though moto shops, mom and pop stalls if they are included?

In the town itself, I wouldn't argue, but the chief did say Sihanoukville PROVINCE. Do we include local restaurants outside of town, the restaurants for travelers on National road 4, and what about the islands ? I still have friends who run a Khmer restaurant in town and so far, so good. (Khmer-chinese, but not sure if that makes a difference.)

However, I was only questioning the figures for the entire province, not questioning what is happening. Guess I am nit-picking though, because in the end it doesn't matter much if there is 5 or 10 or 15 % of non-Chinese restaurants right now in SHV. It's clear that in a very short space of time the new Chinese immigrants have become the majority and this is their city. (Their coast soon too. And I agree with the comments about watching the increasing amount of Chinese investment in PP.)

We are inside China now.
.... until the heavens fall.

I like a fight, but i suspect adapting to the new reality might be a wiser course.
Start making a few chinese friends, try to understand them bit more from a pos+ perspective?

Sure, challenge them at the boundaries, but cambodia has already been overrun and we will not re-establish the old lines in our lifetime.

Surrender monkey me??

SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:55 am We are inside China now.
.... until the heavens fall.

I like a fight, but i suspect adapting to the new reality might be a wiser course.
Start making a few chinese friends, try to understand them bit more from a pos+ perspective?

Sure, challenge them at the boundaries, but cambodia has already been overrun and we will not re-establish the old lines in our lifetime.

Surrender monkey me??

I actually do try to get myself to reposition my perspective about Chinese matters before commenting. It is very easy to fall into an anti Chinese stance, but nothing good comes of us vs them- Only a good old war, which would like be fought in an entirely new way. White fella is afraid of losing their dominance and tasting their own medicine. That is understandable too.

However, sometimes a spade is a spade is a spade, and we need to find a way to think smart and outside the box, not fall into tired old ways of responding. We need to get smart very quickly, but getting smart doesn't mean blindly racing forward to be the first.

violet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:20 am

SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:55 am We are inside China now.
.... until the heavens fall.

I like a fight, but i suspect adapting to the new reality might be a wiser course.
Start making a few chinese friends, try to understand them bit more from a pos+ perspective?

Sure, challenge them at the boundaries, but cambodia has already been overrun and we will not re-establish the old lines in our lifetime.

Surrender monkey me??

I actually do try to get myself to reposition my perspective about Chinese matters before commenting. It is very easy to fall into an anti Chinese stance, but nothing good comes of us vs them- Only a good old war, which would like be fought in an entirely new way. White fella is afraid of losing their dominance and tasting their own medicine. That is understandable too.

However, sometimes a spade is a spade is a spade, and we need to find a way to think smart and outside the box, not fall into tired old ways of responding. We need to get smart very quickly, but getting smart doesn't mean blindly racing forward to be the first.

Perspective? Is a good practical way of looking at the overall situation.
I only know, personally of one westerner whom is in the sense, friendly, or at least can converse with the new arrivals, but he lived in their country for many years speaking the language fluently and can read it too, I think that helps so much when communicating with any other nationality, and may give a better understanding. Has I mentioned the growth in the city, I once pondered at a new Chinese restaurant but before I asked for the menu, I was remembering my first encounter! It was late, dark and raining I rode from Koh Kong, also being delayed over the Cardamom with heavy rain too. You could say the journey wasn’t the best.
When I arrived at the factory area, road 4 around Kampong Spu, most eateries were closed, but there was this Chinese restaurant on the main highway, there were plenty of customers inside, so I opted we get out of the rain, eat and I could phone the hotel I have stayed a few times in the past. We walked in briskly and sat at a table, I then got the impression we should have waited to be seated, tea was served and I received the iPad menu (nice touch). But we left quicker than we entered, that being starters were $8 and mains being $30 to $40.
So back to receiving the menu at the Phnom Penh establishment, it was a no go due to the waiter spoke no English and the menu was in written Chinese.
The Chinese now have in one way become more like ourselves in some ways. Starting by, being able to freely travel, they have now just simply spread their wings, also having the monies to do so and it seems the better abilities to invest here into business ventures, and also in other faraway lands, with the concept of their teachings of the belt and road initiatives. So far with the investment in factories, casinos, hotel and tourism, shops and restaurants. Farming, prisons and hydro dams. New build investments in theme parks and tower condominiums. With the possibility of 70% sales to their own countrymen. Predictions also on how many tourists per year.
The difference possibly is that they have their own government backing and also involvement, due to the investment commitments that are made here on the new ventures. governments negotiations, on trading and commodities. large Aid donations and progress, that alone would be accepted and very appealing to any of the developing countries. and past records of donations and Aid from countries such as Japan, Europe, America, Australia, I would suggest prove so. But and there usually is, in this case most other dealings with the new partner have left some trading countries in debt, to their suppliers overall good will, good business provider? Hopefully it won’t happen here, only time and progress will tell the future.
I don't get involved with politics, or even at times try to understand polices or any motives. Also we are guests, being told we have, no right's or neither concerns to meddle in any political affairs, or involvement in what may seem to be the nature of criminal actions, that here does not have any purpose or concern too ourselves, the one's that may have had involvement of this nature, take their punishment swiftly within the walls and discomfort of Prey Sar.
Regarding investments and business of other countries, my question beckons for answers, was the opportunity ever there? Were there any country willing to make the same commitment or investments has the new guests have, or am I just naïve in thinking. Yes, simply know of Japan with the involvement of the shipping port, also the French and lease of the Airport, the Russian entrepreneurs with their past plans. Australia mining companies. Also, the many NGO overseas organisations.
Most of these countries, (and many more) government's, and charities have donated huge sums of donations and Aid monies, and still to this day, for example, help towards landmine clearance, with past training, medical, pension for wounded, schooling and building. roads and bridges, tax free trades. But in all goodness and fairness it seems to be interference of the country's sovereignty. I don't doubt that it could look that way in some aspects. I would like to think it was only concerning for the kingdom to progress and move forward, sure it was always the aim of the support.