Chinese Navy Ships to Celebrate New Koh Rong Naval Outpost

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HE beach is still clean and beautiful. I was at Otres beach and it’s also clean and the water is clear, just don’t look behind.

In fact Ocheteal beach was ok last time I was there at Khin Shack in Dec 18. Very peaceful.

There’s lots of bitter expats who wouldn’t have said anything good about Cambodia before the recent invasion. Now they suddenly care about the “poor locals” etc.

Personally i think it’s inevitable just like Thailand in the 80s/90s, and Goa before that and Spain etc etc.

I don’t understand the constant anger towards what’s happened. Suck it up it’ll all come out in the wash, probably long after most have “left”!
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davegorman wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:50 am

There’s lots of bitter expats who wouldn’t have said anything good about Cambodia before the recent invasion. Now they suddenly care about the “poor locals” etc.


I don’t understand the constant anger towards what’s happened. Suck it up it’ll all come out in the wash, probably long after most have “left”!
What gives you the supreme knowledge that lots of expats, bitter or rose tinted spectacles, didn't care about the poor locals before?

The anger is constant mostly from the locals now who have had to move away from the city into suburbs, spots on the asshole of nowhere where they can't do the same trade before to keep their families alive and well!
For the westerners who loved it and keep getting told, "it'll all be great there in 5 years blah blah". Are they supposed to wish their life away or hold their breath for this long then only to find they are not able to go into any of the new "great"places? Try going to any restaurant not on actual beach road, or supermarket and see how the management treat you and how welcome you feel!
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Barang chgout wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:45 am Warm flat water and plastic bags. What's not to like?

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Fourkinnel wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:56 am
davegorman wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:50 am

There’s lots of bitter expats who wouldn’t have said anything good about Cambodia before the recent invasion. Now they suddenly care about the “poor locals” etc.


I don’t understand the constant anger towards what’s happened. Suck it up it’ll all come out in the wash, probably long after most have “left”!
What gives you the supreme knowledge that lots of expats, bitter or rose tinted spectacles, didn't care about the poor locals before?

The anger is constant mostly from the locals now who have had to move away from the city into suburbs, spots on the asshole of nowhere where they can't do the same trade before to keep their families alive and well!
For the westerners who loved it and keep getting told, "it'll all be great there in 5 years blah blah". Are they supposed to wish their life away or hold their breath for this long then only to find they are not able to go into any of the new "great"places? Try going to any restaurant not on actual beach road, or supermarket and see how the management treat you and how welcome you feel!
Like I said...
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davegorman wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:50 am HE beach is still clean and beautiful. I was at Otres beach and it’s also clean and the water is clear, just don’t look behind.

In fact Ocheteal beach was ok last time I was there at Khin Shack in Dec 18. Very peaceful.

There’s lots of bitter expats who wouldn’t have said anything good about Cambodia before the recent invasion. Now they suddenly care about the “poor locals” etc.

Personally i think it’s inevitable just like Thailand in the 80s/90s, and Goa before that and Spain etc etc.

I don’t understand the constant anger towards what’s happened. Suck it up it’ll all come out in the wash, probably long after most have “left”!
I was at Khin's on the 21st. The lady who wanks off old men was still there, still doing making a living. Had a nice chat as she did my feet.
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davegorman wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:50 am There’s lots of bitter expats who wouldn’t have said anything good about Cambodia before the recent invasion. Now they suddenly care about the “poor locals” etc.

Personally i think it’s inevitable just like Thailand in the 80s/90s, and Goa before that and Spain etc etc.

I don’t understand the constant anger towards what’s happened. Suck it up it’ll all come out in the wash, probably long after most have “left”!
True that, before the invasion, I recall expats complaining about the hippies, druggies, dreadlockers and cheap charlies.

Yeah I agree, it's inevitable that like Thailand these areas will be developed. However, isn't the major gripe here that most/all of the development is designed to cater for one exclusive national clientele? Not only have locals been displaced but other nationality tourists, expats and the like don't want to go there anymore. As Fourkinnel says: Try going to any restaurant not on actual beach road, or supermarket and see how the management treat you and how welcome you feel!

Furthermore, the huge influx of casinos has brought all the vice associated with it..ie thuggery, money lenders, gangsters, drugs, prostitution, robbery, deaths etc

As an aside, I recall back in the 80s Jomtien was a beautiful clean beach before all the condos.. It was a big West German hang out at the time before reunification.. then later it was the Russians.. Nevertheless, Pattaya itself, and I think a lot of other tourist places in Thailand, are still a melting pot catering to all nationalities.

This is the big difference imo when we refer to what's happening in Snook.
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I remember going to Koh Russei with the Irish guy who had the place on the right a couple of hundred metres from the rocky road. The bungalows stepped down the hill with the restaurant on the rocky beach. I stayed there for days with some young blokes from Kampot.
This guy had the first bungalows on the islands until the Navy took it off him a few years later. If you walked on the nice track to the north side of the island were two 105mm field guns in a navy installation. I was told they were to repel the Vietnamese. That was 2007 or so.
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davegorman wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:50 am I don’t understand the constant anger towards what’s happened. Suck it up it’ll all come out in the wash, probably long after most have “left”!
Most people in Sihanoukville are resigned to the fact that they have no say in the evolution of the city, that anything could happen tomorrow, and they are just trying to get on with things and make the best of a difficult situation. Some are doing better than others, but everybody knows people who have been displaced and lost their jobs.

And what they really don't need are condescending holiday-makers telling them to suck it up. thumbdown

And by the way, that seawater may look clean, but where do you think all the sewage is going ?
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clutchcargo wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:15 pm
davegorman wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:50 am There’s lots of bitter expats who wouldn’t have said anything good about Cambodia before the recent invasion. Now they suddenly care about the “poor locals” etc.

Personally i think it’s inevitable just like Thailand in the 80s/90s, and Goa before that and Spain etc etc.

I don’t understand the constant anger towards what’s happened. Suck it up it’ll all come out in the wash, probably long after most have “left”!
True that, before the invasion, I recall expats complaining about the hippies, druggies, dreadlockers and cheap charlies.

Yeah I agree, it's inevitable that like Thailand these areas will be developed. However, isn't the major gripe here that most/all of the development is designed to cater for one exclusive national clientele? Not only have locals been displaced but other nationality tourists, expats and the like don't want to go there anymore. As Fourkinnel says: Try going to any restaurant not on actual beach road, or supermarket and see how the management treat you and how welcome you feel!

Furthermore, the huge influx of casinos has brought all the vice associated with it..ie thuggery, money lenders, gangsters, drugs, prostitution, robbery, deaths etc

As an aside, I recall back in the 80s Jomtien was a beautiful clean beach before all the condos.. It was a big West German hang out at the time before reunification.. then later it was the Russians.. Nevertheless, Pattaya itself, and I think a lot of other tourist places in Thailand, are still a melting pot catering to all nationalities.

This is the big difference imo when we refer to what's happening in Snook.
I haven't got any looks or feelings when I have went to Chinese run places. Most of the casinos, hotels and restaurants (at least the better ones) accept westerners as well. I think what is the biggest problem is the language barrier. Many old expats feel intimidate when they go to restaurant run by Chinese and their menu is only in Chinese and they get the feeling they are not welcome in there. Also I believe there is a transition on going. Many smaller markets and restaurants are run by people who never run a business abroad before and they are trying to make money now catering just for the Chinese workers but I'm sure by time those will shut down (as many have already) and better run places replace them.
Anchor Moy wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:01 pm
davegorman wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:50 am I don’t understand the constant anger towards what’s happened. Suck it up it’ll all come out in the wash, probably long after most have “left”!
Most people in Sihanoukville are resigned to the fact that they have no say in the evolution of the city, that anything could happen tomorrow, and they are just trying to get on with things and make the best of a difficult situation. Some are doing better than others, but everybody knows people who have been displaced and lost their jobs.

And what they really don't need are condescending holiday-makers telling them to suck it up. thumbdown

And by the way, that seawater may look clean, but where do you think all the sewage is going ?
This might be true but also lot of people have got new jobs that pay better than before. And many locals financial situation has also improved when they have sold their lands etc.
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Anchor Moy wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:01 pm
davegorman wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:50 am I don’t understand the constant anger towards what’s happened. Suck it up it’ll all come out in the wash, probably long after most have “left”!
Most people in Sihanoukville are resigned to the fact that they have no say in the evolution of the city, that anything could happen tomorrow, and they are just trying to get on with things and make the best of a difficult situation. Some are doing better than others, but everybody knows people who have been displaced and lost their jobs.

And what they really don't need are condescending holiday-makers telling them to suck it up. thumbdown

And by the way, that seawater may look clean, but where do you think all the sewage is going ?
I’d like to know what all those locals are doing in SIhanoukville (not the ones in Lexus) because I don’t remember that many two years ago (when I was holidaying). Maybe they just like driving around their city.

Or maybe some are working. I don’t know.

By the way I think you’ll find many cities dump “sewerage” into the city in various states. Thailand still does it but most don’t swim next to the outlet.
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