Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by John Bingham » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:07 pm

tightenupvolume1 wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:52 pm
There is the fact that the vast majority of the perps are either recent immigrants or the children of immigrants. make of that what you will.
I'm not sure I'd agree with that. I lived in London for a long time and depending on the area the feral kids could be pure East Enders, or descendants of Irish, Italians, Cypriots, Jamaicans, Pakistanis or anything really. The kids in Somers Town might have been a different mix than the kids in Stonebridge for example, but they were all rough and ready. Many of them come from pretty messed up backgrounds, their grannies were junkies in the 80s and things aren't improving. Others are from relatively good backgrounds, but just get into the gang style, start speaking ridiculous patois and robbing etc.

When I lived in London last there was a whole gang of maniac kids from the towerblocks nearby who used to hang around the Kurdish grocery store. They were horrible, sometimes they'd be fighting in the shop and the shopkeepers would have to hustle them out. They'd harass people outside. They used to freak me out to be honest, because they were the sort of kids who would steal your scooter and do donuts on it and smash it up and set it on fire under one of the arches. Somehow they never bothered me pesonally, they'd sometimes ask me to get them beer or smokes but I'd tell them I couldn't and they didn't push it. It was hilarious sometimes to look out from the balcony and see the same kids chasing some hapless new resident up the street, shouting and throwing stuff, invariably one of these teenagers would be pushing a pram while hurling abuse at the guy for "dissin" them.

I'm glad I don't live there now, I can't be dealing with all the hooligans. I lived in Muswell Hill for a couple of years and it was very nice, but the bars there would get invaded every weekend by huge crowds of mad whiteys from the sticks. Many of the towns around London are known to be extremely violent. I was always lucky, but it's pretty edgy and you don't just talk to anyone there.
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by Anchor Moy » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:38 pm

tightenupvolume1 wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:12 pm
StroppyChops wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:06 pm
cptrelentless wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:44 pm
There's something about the inherent culture in the real backwoods of this country where killing things for no reason is just a thing. The kid of one of our builders is considered weird by all the other kids, he's "from the village" as they say. He just randomly kills things like a little psychopath and has zero social skills. His parents aren't abusive, in fact his mother is probably as overly indulgent as any parent of a little shit. He just has no empathy. These kids are most likely the same - they just have no concept of that little kid being something other than an object in the way of the thing they want at that time. It's like that other kid that got murdered by that girl for a shitty little necklace. These murderers have just never been taught not to do this shit.
Fair point. So, like a redneck thing. (If you're a redneck, don't get all huffy, you know I'm right.) Actually we see that to a lesser degree in kids that come to our house that automatically reach out to hit or kick our pets. They (and often their parents) are honestly stunned and confused when we tell them strongly to not do that. We almost always get dirty looks from the parents - how dare we tell their child what not to do in our private home?

Fair warning - I'm going to ramble off into a western context discussion at this point, it's probably going to be TL;DR for many, so "Millennials bad, but it's the parent's fault" will do.

Some years back a gang of young boys kidnapped and brutally tortured a young mentally handicapped boy before killing him, which caused "shock and moral outrage" in the Western Australian community. One of the acts that brought the event to world attention was that they stuffed the kid's anus with D-cell batteries. Some argued that the attackers came from good families with good parents, yadda yadda, but I think that over indulgence you mention is as damaging as abuse or lack of care. "I've never been denied anything in my life, and my mother takes care of any problems I create without correcting me, so why SHOULDN'T I kill this little mental kid?"

My son was raised by his mother (by mutual agreement as we separated) on the condition that she would support him coming to live with me if he ever expressed a desire to do so, and that visitation be respected. He joined Mrs Stroppy and I when he was 15 and we set some expectations early. I told him that it was my job to ensure he had everything he needed, and only some of what he wanted. He was stunned at this, argued it aggressively, and questioned his recent life choices about who he'd live with. He was adamant that it was my job to give him everything he wanted, and honestly couldn't conceptualise why I didn't automatically agree with that.

I truly believe that the kid who wants for nothing, never understands what it is to actually want something.
Anchor, why did you not ask stroppy what a crime in western Oz has to do with cambodia? i think you are selectively picking me out, why? i don't know

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tightenupvolume1 wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:59 pm
The point i am making stroppy is that he asked me what the link was between teens using extreme violence to steal mopeds in cambodia and the similar thing happening in London, the link is obvious.

charlie
Yes that's it. So, according to you, what's the link between London and Cambodian crime ? :o

There is a growing problem here with violent crimes committed by Cambodian adolescents/children. I don't think it has anything to do with UK problems with immigrants. Unless it's connected with drugs or PTSD in both cases ?
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by tightenupvolume1 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:28 pm

I can,t be bothered with you. There is NO link between crime in OZ and cambodia but you ignored that post and replied to mine, the link? extreme violence and stealing mopeds
had you not jumped out your pram we maybe could have gone on to discuss the possible causes IE drugs and PTSD in both cases
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by Barang chgout » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:39 pm

Nothing in life is simple.
How about young people are not learning responsibility, repercussions, the fragility of life and death (oh, Johnny can't risk a grazed knee on a jungle gym), that people and experience are worth more than bling and money?


We need a world war to balance out what we created.

I guess you don't have kids then.


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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by Barang chgout » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:40 pm

tightenupvolume1 wrote:There is the fact that the vast majority of the perps are either recent immigrants or the children of immigrants. make of that what you will.

charlie
So their Australian?

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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by Barang chgout » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:44 pm

tightenupvolume1 wrote:I can,t be bothered with you. There is NO link between crime in OZ and cambodia but you ignored that post and replied to mine, the link? extreme violence and stealing mopeds
had you not jumped out your pram we maybe could have gone on to discuss the possible causes IE drugs and PTSD in both cases
Really? No link? Ask the rebels.

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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by Anchor Moy » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:47 pm

tightenupvolume1 wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:28 pm
I can,t be bothered with you. There is NO link between crime in OZ and cambodia but you ignored that post and replied to mine, the link? extreme violence and stealing mopeds
had you not jumped out your pram we maybe could have gone on to discuss the possible causes IE drugs and PTSD in both cases
Anchor, why did you not ask stroppy what a crime in western Oz has to do with cambodia? i think you are selectively picking me out, why? i don't know

charlie
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Because i thought you wanted to have a discussion, but that's ok.
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by violet » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:55 pm

Barang chgout wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:39 pm
Nothing in life is simple.
How about young people are not learning responsibility, repercussions, the fragility of life and death (oh, Johnny can't risk a grazed knee on a jungle gym), that people and experience are worth more than bling and money?


We need a world war to balance out what we created.

I guess you don't have kids then.


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I do not want anyone I care about, or myself, to go through a world war, however what I want and what I think humans need are two different things. Not many can make the distinction, and I am ok with no one else agreeing with me on the matter. It's a pretty extreme concept.
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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by Barang chgout » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:30 pm

violet wrote:
Barang chgout wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:39 pm
Nothing in life is simple.
How about young people are not learning responsibility, repercussions, the fragility of life and death (oh, Johnny can't risk a grazed knee on a jungle gym), that people and experience are worth more than bling and money?


We need a world war to balance out what we created.

I guess you don't have kids then.


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I do not want anyone I care about, or myself, to go through a world war, however what I want and what I think humans need are two different things. Not many can make the distinction, and I am ok with no one else agreeing with me on the matter. It's a pretty extreme concept.
So I take that as a no.

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Re: Child Brutally Murdered for a Honda Dream

Post by violet » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:35 pm

No,I don't.

How would you respond if I rustled up a couple of parents who agree with me? My opinion isn't so unique as to not be shared by others.

Edited as I can't string a coherent sentence together
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