To Get a Passport, Cambodians Asked to Pass Cash

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Re: To Get a Passport, Cambodians Asked to Pass Cash

Post by phuketrichard » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:38 pm

personally i think the fixers are offering a worthy service for many Khmers that cant read or write for a very affordable price
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Re: To Get a Passport, Cambodians Asked to Pass Cash

Post by willyhilly » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:58 pm

Isn't 4000 a day over a million a year? Impossible. I have always found the passport process to be quite straightforward.
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Re: To Get a Passport, Cambodians Asked to Pass Cash

Post by violet » Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:06 pm

There are many people in the world, Cambodian and otherwise, who are inexperienced with this type of procedure. Many people also get overwhelmed in such situations. Just because you and your relatives don't, doesn't mean others don't.
How much interference the helpers manage to run to get people's money will depend on how inexperienced and easily overwhelmed a person Is. Therefore, they are preying on the more vulnerable to make easy cash.... $5/$10 dollars a person, ....how long does it take to help? An hour? That's more than educated teachers make an hour
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Re: To Get a Passport, Cambodians Asked to Pass Cash

Post by Kammekor » Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:27 pm

khmerhamster wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:25 pm
I see this as a complete non story.
I also have friends and family who have done this by themselves within a month.

Fixers help people who are overwhelmed by bureaucracy and cannot fill in forms. Use them or don’t use them.
Of course they will tell stories to make people think that they need their services.
It's not a non story. For the ridiculous prices the Cambodian government charges for a passport they should be able to provide a simple, free assistance for those needing it. The fact many Cambodians are illiterate is simply a fact the department has to deal with. Not an excuse to allow fixers hanging around.

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and this doesn't just apply to this department, it's the same story at for instance the ministry of foreign affairs where you have to wade through a crowd of fixers before entering the building.
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Re: To Get a Passport, Cambodians Asked to Pass Cash

Post by PSD-Kiwi » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:09 pm

Kammekor wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:27 pm
For the ridiculous prices the Cambodian government charges for a passport
Really...you consider $100 for a 10 year passport a ridiculous price!? Cheaper than most "Western" Countries passports.

The process is extremely simple, and there are Passport Office staff who will assist, no-one is forced to pay for the services of a fixer.
it's the same story at for instance the ministry of foreign affairs where you have to wade through a crowd of fixers before entering the building
Really? I must have missed the crowds of fixers the dozen or so times I've been to the MoFAIC.
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Re: To Get a Passport, Cambodians Asked to Pass Cash

Post by armchairlawyer » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:26 pm

PSD-Kiwi wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:09 pm
Kammekor wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:27 pm
For the ridiculous prices the Cambodian government charges for a passport
Really...you consider $100 for a 10 year passport a ridiculous price!? Cheaper than most "Western" Countries passports.
It might be fairer to compare the price with local countries with similar income per head. In Thailand the cost is $30, in Vietnam it is $9.
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Re: To Get a Passport, Cambodians Asked to Pass Cash

Post by Kammekor » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:28 pm

PSD-Kiwi wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:09 pm
Kammekor wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:27 pm
For the ridiculous prices the Cambodian government charges for a passport
Really...you consider $100 for a 10 year passport a ridiculous price!? Cheaper than most "Western" Countries passports.

The process is extremely simple, and there are Passport Office staff who will assist, no-one is forced to pay for the services of a fixer.
it's the same story at for instance the ministry of foreign affairs where you have to wade through a crowd of fixers before entering the building
Really? I must have missed the crowds of fixers the dozen or so times I've been to the MoFAIC.
Well, let's put the price of the Cambodian passport in perspective.

Some prices in the region (source: https://www.passport-collector.com/pass ... ld-2018-2/)

Hong Kong: 32$
Indonesia: 15$
Malaysia: 47$
Singapore: 59$
Thailand: 29$

and some Western countries:
Germany: 60$
Netherlands: 78$
USA: 110$

Looking at these numbers and looking at the current situation (price, local mean buying power, passport only available in Phnom Penh, meaning most people have to make a trip spending even more) I find the price of Cambodian passports excessive, yes. Even ridiculous. I also don't like the artificial waiting time the department introduced in order to collect more money. All passports are produced within days, but not released when ready. They're will just pile up the passports for a few weeks hoping people will pay more for an early release.

And if your compare the quality of the new passport to any Western Passport the price is not justified as well. Just check the quality of the picture, for instance......
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Re: To Get a Passport, Cambodians Asked to Pass Cash

Post by violet » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:32 pm

PSD-Kiwi wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:09 pm
Kammekor wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:27 pm
For the ridiculous prices the Cambodian government charges for a passport
Really...you consider $100 for a 10 year passport a ridiculous price!? Cheaper than most "Western" Countries passports.

The process is extremely simple, and there are Passport Office staff who will assist, no-one is forced to pay for the services of a fixer.
it's the same story at for instance the ministry of foreign affairs where you have to wade through a crowd of fixers before entering the building
Really? I must have missed the crowds of fixers the dozen or so times I've been to the MoFAIC.
You used to make considered posts. Not one of your betters
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Re: To Get a Passport, Cambodians Asked to Pass Cash

Post by armchairlawyer » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:40 pm

I think there is a psychological explanation to this discussion. Anyone who has already bought one at the higher price is inclined to defend the status quo!
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Re: To Get a Passport, Cambodians Asked to Pass Cash

Post by violet » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:55 pm

violet wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:32 pm
PSD-Kiwi wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:09 pm
Kammekor wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:27 pm
For the ridiculous prices the Cambodian government charges for a passport
Really...you consider $100 for a 10 year passport a ridiculous price!? Cheaper than most "Western" Countries passports.

The process is extremely simple, and there are Passport Office staff who will assist, no-one is forced to pay for the services of a fixer.
it's the same story at for instance the ministry of foreign affairs where you have to wade through a crowd of fixers before entering the building
Really? I must have missed the crowds of fixers the dozen or so times I've been to the MoFAIC.
You used to make considered posts. Not one of your betters
I didn't mean to be so judgemental
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