Japanese FURJU SUKUMO Sentenced to 7 Years in Prison for Human Trafficking Woman to Japan

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Re: Japanese FURJU SUKUMO Sentenced to 7 Years in Prison for Human Trafficking Woman to Japan

Post by phuketrichard » Sat May 12, 2018 12:28 pm

Jerry Atrick wrote:
Sat May 12, 2018 11:29 am
No.

The punishment must fit the crime. Fuck the old testament shite.

In theory my brother in law is trafficked to Thailand twice a year, as he has to surrender his passport when he gets there.

But he comes home with three or four grand every time, looking healthy and has a good relationship with his trafficker.

He couldn't save enough to get himself over there and into an okay job by himself.

But technicially, that's human trafficking.
Because ur brother in law is going on his own free will , how can that be human trafficking??

why cant ur brother inlaw do it legal??
But he comes home with three or four grand every time,
There are plenty of agents in Poi pet that will assist a khmer get a passport and a job in Thailand that will have a L-A 2 year migrant visa, wp an health card.
costs run about $600


Many of the Burmese that are working here with valid visas and wp's, passports are held by the agent as long as they are working. The agent takes care of their 90 day reports and such.
i do NOT call that human trafficking

What this guy did, (taking a girl to another country and lying about what she would be doing and placing her in a brothel without her consent) is human trafficking in my eyes
BUT
IF she had consented to working as a bar girl, is it still human trafficking??

Same as a girl from Candy bar,returning home to recruit young girls for the bar, is she a human trafficker??

just asking..
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Re: Japanese FURJU SUKUMO Sentenced to 7 Years in Prison for Human Trafficking Woman to Japan

Post by StroppyChops » Sat May 12, 2018 12:42 pm

phuketrichard wrote:
Sat May 12, 2018 12:28 pm
Because ur brother in law is going on his own free will , how can that be human trafficking??

Many of the Burmese that are working here with valid visas and wp's, passports are held by the agent as long as they are working. The agent takes care of their 90 day reports and such.
i do NOT call that human trafficking

What this guy did, (taking a girl to another country and lying about what she would be doing and placing her in a brothel without her consent) is human trafficking in my eyes
BUT
IF she had consented to working as a bar girl, is it still human trafficking??

Same as a girl from Candy bar,returning home to recruit young girls for the bar, is she a human trafficker??

just asking..
It comes down to free will and fully-informed consent, a sense of agency, and the ability to change their mind and walk away.

Using your Candy Bar girl example. If she returns to her village to recruit, and fully informs the recruitees what will be expected of them, for what remuneration, under what conditions, that they can walk away at any time without obstacle or loss of money already earned (including bonuses), that they will never be pressured or intimated into anything they're not comfortable with, etc... and here's the big one, the sense of agency. Does the girl being recruited have the capacity (mental, social, other) to make this type of decision for herself, actually have the ability to say no, and understand the context of city life and bar work versus her current environ?

If the village girl is fully aware of the full reality of what she's agreeing to, I'd consider that to not be human trafficking. It's just the oldest profession, it's mutually transactional.

If any part of the above is not fully disclosed/explained to her, or changes along the way without her knowledge and consent, its moving toward trafficking.

You'd have to consider what is coercion, intimidation, extortion to better answer the question of what constitutes a human trafficker. Consider the kid that is born into generational debt and (according to this society) is an indentured labourer until the debt is paid (which is not possible) - and is not able to or does not know that they can simply (yeah, right) say no, and walk away. The kid is born a slave, but who is the trafficker? Those who enforce or even allow such a system, are they traffickers? Accomplices? What about the younger daughter who is sold to a wealthier family to be a playmate for the rich kid, but is actually being groomed to be an indentured housekeeper and sex toy for the big man? Who's the trafficker? The mother who sold her? Just the big man? His whole family, because they benefit from her unpaid labour?
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Re: Japanese FURJU SUKUMO Sentenced to 7 Years in Prison for Human Trafficking Woman to Japan

Post by phuketrichard » Sat May 12, 2018 12:49 pm

its not all black and white!
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Re: Japanese FURJU SUKUMO Sentenced to 7 Years in Prison for Human Trafficking Woman to Japan

Post by StroppyChops » Sat May 12, 2018 12:58 pm

phuketrichard wrote:
Sat May 12, 2018 12:49 pm
its not all black and white!
Most things aren't - I'm not sure if you're implying that my response suggests that I think trafficking is black and white. My points are black and white, but I get that the whole concept of trafficking is difficult to define and there are some grey areas. However, surely the following questions (same as above but restated) are black and white questions?

Does the person fully understand what they are getting into?
Do they have the capacity/option to refuse?
Will they keep the right to refuse anything they're not happy with (even if they've previously agreed to it) and then safely walk away?
Will they be intimidated, coerced, threatened or extorted?
(New) Is the person being remunerated appropriately for the work they do, and permitted to keep their own earnings and spend them as they choose?
(New) Has the person had sufficient education as to understand what are appropriate choices for them and appropriate expectations on them?

I'm curious, given your apparent tension around my posts on this - how do YOU define human trafficking?

Edit: it occurred to me after posting that you might have been responding to my last paragraph - if so, yeah, you're right!
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Re: Japanese FURJU SUKUMO Sentenced to 7 Years in Prison for Human Trafficking Woman to Japan

Post by phuketrichard » Sat May 12, 2018 1:14 pm

nope,i agree with you, there is so much grey area.
slaves born of slaves in the south, were slaves by birth and property of the owner to do with as they wished..

[New) Has the person had sufficient education as to understand what are appropriate choices for them and appropriate expectations on them?
referring to a country girl who goes with her "new friend" to the big city to work in a bar.... cause mom and dad need the $$ She has no knowledge of the big city, nor the motives behind why the friend is recruiting her...so i say, NOPE she has no idea or the education or make the decision...
...than once she is there and told by her new friend how much MORE $ she can make if she goes with a guy...

My definition;
Taking a anyone anywhere and to get them to go invent a job for them BUT once they arrive, its not the job they were told and not paying them or allowing them to consent to the work/job or the right to leave...
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Re: Japanese FURJU SUKUMO Sentenced to 7 Years in Prison for Human Trafficking Woman to Japan

Post by that genius » Sat May 12, 2018 2:22 pm

I'm certain the UN has a very precise definition, which includes most, if not all of SC's points.

BS, intimidation, restrictions on freedoms.

from nij.gov

The United Nations defines human trafficking as the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harboring, or receipt of persons by improper means (such as force, abduction, fraud, or coercion) for an improper purpose including forced labor or sexual exploitation. [1] Human smuggling, a related but different crime, generally involves the consent of the person(s) being smuggled. These people often pay large sums of money to be smuggled across international borders. Once in the country of their final destination, they are generally left to their own devices. Smuggling becomes trafficking when the element of force or coercion is introduced.

The U.S. Government defines human trafficking as:

Sex trafficking in which a commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such act has not attained 18 years of age.
The recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purpose of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery.

So it seems the US only focuses on sexual trafficking, and not forced labour, which is obviously BS.
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Post by phuketrichard » Sat May 12, 2018 2:51 pm

so US is saying a 19 year old can not be sold for sex ??
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Post by that genius » Sat May 12, 2018 2:59 pm

No, they are just saying they don't care about forced labour, only about forced sex.

So if you were trafficked, they only pay attention if you were raped.

And this is the civilised world's champion, protector of freedoms.

Facepalm.

To get their attention, you should ask a male (preferably Russian or black African, but any socialist will also do) to rape you. Then, and only then, do they give a shit, because it suits their agenda.
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Re: Japanese FURJU SUKUMO Sentenced to 7 Years in Prison for Human Trafficking Woman to Japan

Post by CEOCambodiaNews » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:37 pm

Appeal Court slashes Japan sex traffickers’ prison terms
08 March 2019
The Appeal Court on Thursday reduced the sentences of a Japanese man and Cambodian woman by two years for trafficking six Cambodian women to Japan in 2016.

Judge Samrith Sophal told Susumu Fukui, 52, and Lim Leakhena, 29, that the court had taken into account the fact they had admitted the crimes.

“So the Appeal Court has decided to reduce the sentence for Susumu Fukui from seven years to five, and for Lim Leakhena from five years to three."

“If the convicted do not agree with the ruling and wish to appeal to the Supreme Court, [they] can do so within one month of the announcement of this verdict,” Judge Sophal told the court.

Leakhena had asked the court at the appeal hearing on February 13 to release her so she could take care of her disabled mother.

According to the court report, the six Cambodian women arrived in Japan in 2016 on the pretence of jobs as waitresses but were instead forced to be sex workers.
They managed to reach the Cambodian Embassy and were repatriated. Cambodian police then arrested Fukui and Leakhena.
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Post by oopsfermi » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:58 pm

CEOCambodiaNews wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:37 pm
“If the convicted do not agree with the ruling and wish to appeal to the Supreme Court, [they] can do so within one month of the announcement of this verdict,” Judge Sophal told the court.
The whole thing smells like bullshit, and there's your proof right there.

The key consideration here is whether she was being held against her will. Not a lot of details here but it does appear she made it to the Cambodian Embassy, ergo, she was not being held against her will.

The judge sees this and wants to head off appeal by the accused so makes this bid in an effort to make it all go away. We see this all of the time in the US too, with PROTECT ACT prosecutions and the like, where there's really little interest in actually testing whether the law is constitutional or not, because just being able to throw a man in prison and keep him on the slow track is power that just never gets old.

If you don't like prostitution at least be honest about it. And then when next you assume the high horse and advocate for womens' rights, please consider what you are doing to poor women the world over who do choose prostitution and would love nothing more than to do it in a place where they can make the most money.

One of these days somebody is going to realize that the real reason white feminists engage in this travesty isn't to protect poor women from third-world countries at all, it's to keep them out of reach of "their" men. Men aren't the only ones whose behavior is directed by natural selection. Women pull all kinds of nasty shit too.

And... this is only going to get worse as time goes on. In evaluating countries in terms of whether I'd want to live there or not, I am now forced to consider what their laws regarding prostitution are like. Yes, it is essentially de facto legal here in Cambodia and Thailand but not by the letter or the law, which allows the human trafficking charge to be made.

As opposed to countries like Mexico, where it is in fact legal, and where now the charge of human trafficking faces a more stringent and reasonable test.
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