General Mackevili wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:59 pm I for one would say if you have your foot in someone's door, then you have already 'entered' their house. It actually reminds me of a time I had a rabid cop with his foot in my door...

Many, many years ago I had a big party at a big house me and a few of my buddies got. We were under 21 at the time, and got some older buddies to buy us a few kegs. I guess we were too loud and maybe some rowdy drunks were extra loud when they were coming and going, and eventually the police stopped by. I think it was their second visit when this shit happened...

Cops come to the front door, and I close it. Someone tells me that they have also come in to the back fenced-in area, so I run to the back of the house, and there is already a cop walking into the kitchen, so I tell him to 'get outta my house.' He backs up and I literally close the door in his face.

He puts his foot in the door and starts yelling, 'dont close the door on my foot!!"

We argue for a few seconds with me basically saying, 'well, get your foot out of my house.' He reluctantly removes it, I lock it and go to the front and talk to those cops. They say they know we are drinking underage and want to come inside. I drunkenly tell them I'd love to let them in but they would need a search warrant. I think at this stage we agree that the party is over, LoL.

We end up taking the tags off the keg and leaving them on the back porch, and the next day I get woken up by one of my housemates that the cops are back and this time it looks like they have FBI agents with them, lol...

Luckily it was just cops and they had brought an ATF (alcohol tobacco and firearms or something like that) agent with them to investigate. They tell me they can SEE a keg on our back porch and they want to come through the house to go get it, and I tell them they can't come through the house, and I don't give them permission to do anything. They are furious now. They say I'm being an asshole because I won't let them walk through our house to the back to get the keg, and I am adament that if they have the right to take the keg that doesn't automatically give them the right to enter my house to make their journey more comfortable, lol. We argue for several minutes about it, and they finally say, "well, we can see a bong through your window, so we don't even need a warrant!!' Haha, that did scare me a bit, but I just said it was my housemates and I think it was just a legally bought tobacco water pipe.

Luckily, I just stood my ground, and they eventually went around the back and got the keg. I don't know if taking the tags off really did us any good or not. I kinda feel they probably just realized that would be a harder case to pursue than they thought worth it, as I wasn't gonna incriminate myself and they really didn't have much to go on.

So, I digress. If you foot is in someone's door, I think you have already entered that home. Hell, I don't know that smashing him with a Mag Lite was overboard. Some States might have almost justified shooting him, lol.

And this is probably my favorite quote on this whole topic:

"He is actually a good person making small bad desicions with huge consequences."

AKL wrote:
Cool story, yep, exactly the same. So I take it he was charged with burglary and is doing hard time now? No? You split his head open for coming into your house? No? Weird. It’s almost like everything you said just proves my point... it also sounds like the guy actually forced his way INTO your home, more than just putting a foot in the door, even. I’ll stop right there.

John Bingham wrote: I always thought it was hilarious when I'd be put on the door or sent out to talk to cops, but someone has to deal with these things.