BBC article on who funds the Islamic State (IS)

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BBC article on who funds the Islamic State (IS)

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The following (biased, in my view) article outlines some of the uncertainty about who is, and is not, funding the IS. My naive thought is that given the atrocities that are occurring in the name of this religion, the countries that are thought to be involved either need to participate in putting this down, or declare their support.

(Before the mouth-frothers jump in, yes, atrocities were conducted with Christianity as the excuse through history too - that is another story, and I was not there. "Oh, the Inquisition..." really is not a reasonable response in modern debate.)
Islamic State: Where does jihadist group get its support?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-ea ... 53?SThisFB

Many Gulf states have been accused of funding Islamic State (IS) extremists in Iraq and Syria.
But as Michael Stephens, director of the Royal United Services Institute in Qatar, explains, not all is clear-cut in war.


Much has been written about the support Islamic State (IS) has received from donors and sympathisers, particularly in the wealthy Gulf States.

Indeed the accusation I hear most from those fighting IS in Iraq and Syria is that Qatar, Turkey and Saudi Arabia are solely responsible for the group's existence.

But the truth is a little more complex and needs some exploring.

It is true that some wealthy individuals from the Gulf have funded extremist groups in Syria, many taking bags of cash to Turkey and simply handing over millions of dollars at a time.

This was an extremely common practice in 2012 and 2013 but has since diminished and is at most only a tiny percentage of the total income that flows into Islamic State coffers in 2014.

It is also true that Saudi Arabia and Qatar, believing that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad would soon fall and that Sunni political Islam was a true vehicle for their political goals, funded groups that had strongly Islamist credentials.

Liwa al-Tawhid, Ahrar al-Sham, Jaish al-Islam were just such groups, all holding tenuous links to the "bad guy" of the time - the al-Nusra Front, al-Qaeda's wing in Syria.

Qatar especially attracted criticism for its cloudy links to the group.

Turkey for its part operated a highly questionable policy of border enforcement in which weapons and money flooded into Syria, with Qatari and Saudi backing.

All had thought that this would facilitate the end of Mr Assad's regime and the reordering of Syria into a Sunni power, breaking Shia Iran's link to the Mediterranean.

Yet as IS began its seemingly unstoppable rise in 2013, these groups were either swept away by it, or deciding it was better to join the winning team, simply defected bringing their weapons and money with them.

Only al-Nusra has really held firm, managing a tenuous alliance with its more radical cousin, but even so it is estimated that at least 3,000 fighters from al-Nusra swapped their allegiance during this time.

So has Qatar funded Islamic State? Directly, the answer is no. Indirectly, a combination of shoddy policy and naivety has led to Qatar-funded weapons and money making their way into the hands of IS.

Saudi Arabia likewise is innocent of a direct state policy to fund the group, but as with Qatar its determination to remove Mr Assad has led to serious mistakes in its choice of allies.

Both countries must undertake some soul searching at this point, although it is doubtful that any such introspection will be admitted in public.

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But there are deeper issues here; religious ties and sympathy for a group that both acts explicitly against Shia Iran's interests in the region and has the tacit support of more people in the Gulf than many would care to admit.

The horrific acts committed by IS are difficult for anybody to support, but its goal of establishing a caliphate is certainly attractive in some corners of Islamic thought.

Many of those who supported the goal have already found their way to Syria and have fought and died for Islamic State and other groups. Others express support more passively and will continue to do so for many years.

The pull of IS, a group that has outperformed all others in combat and put into place a slick media campaign in dozens of languages to attract young men and women to its cause, has proven highly successful.

In every activity - from fighting, to organisation and hierarchy, to media messaging - IS is light years ahead of the assorted motley crew of opposition factions operating in the region.

'War economy'
Islamic State has put in place what appear to be the beginnings of quasi-state structures - ministries, law courts and even a rudimentary taxation system, which incidentally asks for far less than what was paid by citizens of Mr Assad's Syria.

IS has displayed a consistent pattern since it first began to take territory in early 2013.

Upon taking control of a town it quickly secures the water, flour and hydrocarbon resources of the area, centralising distribution and thereby making the local population dependent on it for survival.

Dependency and support are not the same thing, and it is impossible to quantify how many of Islamic State's "citizens" are willing partners in its project or simply acquiescing to its rule out of a need for stability or fear of punishment.

To understand how the Islamic State economy functions is to delve into a murky world of middlemen and shady business dealings, in which "loyal ideologues" on differing sides spot business opportunities and pounce upon them.

IS exports about 9,000 barrels of oil per day at prices ranging from about $25-$45 (£15-£27).

Some of this goes to Kurdish middlemen up towards Turkey, some goes for domestic IS consumption and some goes to the Assad regime, which in turn sells weapons back to the group.

"It is a traditional war economy," notes Jamestown analyst Wladimir van Wilgenburg.

Indeed, the dodgy dealings and strange alliances are beginning to look very similar to events that occurred during the Lebanese civil war, when feuding war lords would similarly fight and do business with each other.

The point is that Islamic State is essentially self-financing; it cannot be isolated and cut off from the world because it is intimately tied into regional stability in a way that benefits not only itself, but also the people it fights.

The larger question of course is whether such an integral pillar of the region (albeit shockingly violent and extreme) can be defeated.
Without Western military intervention it is unlikely. Although Sunni tribes in Iraq ponder their allegiances to the group, they do not have the firepower or finances necessary to topple IS and neither does the Iraqi army nor its Syrian counterpart.

Michael Stephens is Director of the Royal United Services Institute, Qatar, and is currently in Irbil
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Hey, you can't have a crisis without ISIS.
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Without reading the article (lazy) I was under the impression that ISIS looted US$400 million from banks in Syria and Iraq in towns they occupied.

That seems a pretty good funding windfall...

Edited to correct millions from billions.
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I'm not aware of that, from what I understand they've got pretty active sponsorship.
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Terrible article. Absolute horse shit. I been following the Syrian war since 2011. I got a goddamn PHD in this fuck fest called the arab spring.

Where the fuck do you think the sloppy Jihad comes from? The fighters are from the arab penninsula and the money is backed by America and the E.U Qatar and U.A.E

The fighters are to MY best est, 60% Saudi/Yemen 20% N. Africa(Libya) 10% Turkey Jordan E.U and another 10% from former soviet bloc Turkassfuckstan etc etc and Chechnya

It also should be noted that some are well taken care of by the locals..either through force or they support it.

Dont piss on my leg and tell me its raining.

That guy in Turkey should be charged with war crimes for what he has done but Turkey is slowly turning into a islamic state also. You guys here about the no laughing allowed by women?

And that sexy princess and her puppet husband in Jordan are doing what they are told. Open the borders and look the other way...we been taking care of your ass for the past decade time for you to return the favor or else its a peaceful arab spring 4 u and the misses buddy.

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My best guess on where its leading. The U.S will "pretend" to do something like these lame turd bombings. Protect the Kurds. The Caliphate will recruite more..not aboard but within Iraq and focus its cross hairs on Iran. Cause thats what America wants. Someone to do its dirty work for them and its been going well since.


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Also noted that ISIS are proclaiming to be a state and are taxing the residents of their territory. They have also taken over certain infrastructure including oil wells and are cashing in on the proceeds. Even selling oil and power to the Syrian government that they are at war with.

Foreign sponsorship would largely be symbolic rather than a necessity.
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Also some people are reporting that ISIS is Saddam Hussein old Republican Guard. This is false. The Republican Guard are a bunch of secular middle class guys who actually went to fight for Assad do to their allegiance to the Ba athis party.

Think big mustaches and berets. Those are technically the good guys.
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