chorlton wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:40 pm I thought tiger balm cured everything

Anchor Moy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:26 am

pczz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:43 am
Alternatively you can wind up causing social unrest in the village. I do some charity work in 1 village but it is causing a ruckus because the people who are not dirt poor think its unfair that poor people are getting al the help. So if you give1 cow, you better have a whole herd to hand out to maintain social harmony in the village

Yeah totally agree. However, as an individual remedy for improving someone's mental state, I imagine the gift of a cow would be quite efficient, and the person concerned would rather be hated than pitied.
But, as you say, this also raises questions about treating the individual in a communal society, or upsetting village eco-systems.
I don't know anything about the cow NGO and how it works, or how they choose who gets a cow and who doesn't. But I can see it could get tricky.
It would probably be better if the cows were sold rather than given - pay later or something.

pczz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:54 pm

Anchor Moy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:26 am

pczz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:43 am
Alternatively you can wind up causing social unrest in the village. I do some charity work in 1 village but it is causing a ruckus because the people who are not dirt poor think its unfair that poor people are getting al the help. So if you give1 cow, you better have a whole herd to hand out to maintain social harmony in the village

Yeah totally agree. However, as an individual remedy for improving someone's mental state, I imagine the gift of a cow would be quite efficient, and the person concerned would rather be hated than pitied.
But, as you say, this also raises questions about treating the individual in a communal society, or upsetting village eco-systems.
I don't know anything about the cow NGO and how it works, or how they choose who gets a cow and who doesn't. But I can see it could get tricky.
It would probably be better if the cows were sold rather than given - pay later or something.

if i could raise enough money i would be buying the village a herd, or setting up a hydroponics farm so they would all benefit. If the NGO's would employ people who know what they are doing a lot more could be done with the money they give

chorlton wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:00 pm

pczz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:54 pm

Anchor Moy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:26 am

pczz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:43 am
Alternatively you can wind up causing social unrest in the village. I do some charity work in 1 village but it is causing a ruckus because the people who are not dirt poor think its unfair that poor people are getting al the help. So if you give1 cow, you better have a whole herd to hand out to maintain social harmony in the village

Yeah totally agree. However, as an individual remedy for improving someone's mental state, I imagine the gift of a cow would be quite efficient, and the person concerned would rather be hated than pitied.
But, as you say, this also raises questions about treating the individual in a communal society, or upsetting village eco-systems.
I don't know anything about the cow NGO and how it works, or how they choose who gets a cow and who doesn't. But I can see it could get tricky.
It would probably be better if the cows were sold rather than given - pay later or something.

if i could raise enough money i would be buying the village a herd, or setting up a hydroponics farm so they would all benefit. If the NGO's would employ people who know what they are doing a lot more could be done with the money they give

great idea
ceo crowdfunded cows
im in

monomial wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:53 pm There are as many reasons for depression as there are people who are depressed. There is no single magical cure that works for everyone. When I was young I used to suffer from mild agoraphobia. As I grew older it grew steadily worse. 2 months after I started taking Prozac everything was completely normal. I'm not saying my situation applies to everyone, but certainly the underlying cause in my case was due to brain chemistry, and there was no other problem to fix.

Do Western solutions lean too much towards synthetic solutions when lifestyle is the problem? Probably. But it would be a terrible mistake to think that all the world's mental health problems can be solved with a cow. Good doctors who genuinely study their patients are actually quite astute at determining when the problem is external and when it is a physical condition. The best psychiatrists know when to prescribe a cow and when to use a drug. What the problem really requires is a great degree of individual attention that is likely too expensive for most people afflicted by depression. I'm glad in this one anecdotal case a simple remedy of a cow was all that was necessary.

pczz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:47 pm

monomial wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:53 pm There are as many reasons for depression as there are people who are depressed. There is no single magical cure that works for everyone. When I was young I used to suffer from mild agoraphobia. As I grew older it grew steadily worse. 2 months after I started taking Prozac everything was completely normal. I'm not saying my situation applies to everyone, but certainly the underlying cause in my case was due to brain chemistry, and there was no other problem to fix.

Do Western solutions lean too much towards synthetic solutions when lifestyle is the problem? Probably. But it would be a terrible mistake to think that all the world's mental health problems can be solved with a cow. Good doctors who genuinely study their patients are actually quite astute at determining when the problem is external and when it is a physical condition. The best psychiatrists know when to prescribe a cow and when to use a drug. What the problem really requires is a great degree of individual attention that is likely too expensive for most people afflicted by depression. I'm glad in this one anecdotal case a simple remedy of a cow was all that was necessary.

apart from "chemical imbalances'



the main cause of depression is stress, and different things stress different people. lack of money, lack of security, poor health and concern about the future are key triggers. You cannot have a stress free life, so there probably is place for drugs to relieve short term issues in people who otherwise have no history of stress, such as bereavement or divorce. Unfortunately what start as short term issues can become a downward spiral very quickly

Duncan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:27 am

pczz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:47 pm

monomial wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:53 pm There are as many reasons for depression as there are people who are depressed. There is no single magical cure that works for everyone. When I was young I used to suffer from mild agoraphobia. As I grew older it grew steadily worse. 2 months after I started taking Prozac everything was completely normal. I'm not saying my situation applies to everyone, but certainly the underlying cause in my case was due to brain chemistry, and there was no other problem to fix.

Do Western solutions lean too much towards synthetic solutions when lifestyle is the problem? Probably. But it would be a terrible mistake to think that all the world's mental health problems can be solved with a cow. Good doctors who genuinely study their patients are actually quite astute at determining when the problem is external and when it is a physical condition. The best psychiatrists know when to prescribe a cow and when to use a drug. What the problem really requires is a great degree of individual attention that is likely too expensive for most people afflicted by depression. I'm glad in this one anecdotal case a simple remedy of a cow was all that was necessary.

apart from "chemical imbalances'



the main cause of depression is stress, and different things stress different people. lack of money, lack of security, poor health and concern about the future are key triggers. You cannot have a stress free life, so there probably is place for drugs to relieve short term issues in people who otherwise have no history of stress, such as bereavement or divorce. Unfortunately what start as short term issues can become a downward spiral very quickly

I guess that covers alcohol, caffeine, and the hundred ? chemicals in smoking. Then there's all the added chemical that have been put in your food and the hundreds that have been sprayed onto your food. All absorbed by your body to cause a chemical imbalance.