predictions on future of sihanoukville and cambodia in general

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Re: predictions on future of sihanoukville and cambodia in general

Post by frank lee bent » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:39 am

they are legal here alright. but online gambling or working for casinos is illegal for Chinese nationals wherever it happens.
notice the round ups of workers around 150 a week or so being deported to China?
hint- not all are voip scammers
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Re: predictions on future of sihanoukville and cambodia in general

Post by that genius » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:40 am

superferret wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:29 am
It seems to me they have front companies, corruption, etc. something more complex then we understand to get around the laws of China, and apparently the people running the casinos are not afraid of the chinese rules,
if they were they would pull their casino investments here.
Maybe the front guys aren't Chinese.
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Re: predictions on future of sihanoukville and cambodia in general

Post by offroadscholar » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:17 am

frank lee bent wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:39 am
they are legal here alright. but online gambling or working for casinos is illegal for Chinese nationals wherever it happens.
notice the round ups of workers around 150 a week or so being deported to China?
hint- not all are voip scammers
I believe what you say about the Chinese law is correct, however no Chinese nationals working in licensed Casinos here have been arrested for breaking the law you've described.
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Re: predictions on future of sihanoukville and cambodia in general

Post by paparazzi » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:26 am

It may be as simple as the Chinese Government blocking the online gambling sites. I guess the 'dark web' might prove problematic.

The staff working in the online casinos here in Sihanoukville are a mix of Chinese, Khmer and Indonesian. You can visit a few and online gambling is being conducted on the main casino floor amoungst the tourists playing. Its not all upstairs out of view.

When the staff from upstairs come to relax in the main casino area they certainly bet big. Possibly bonus money.

Another large group of Chinese workers at the Casino are the 'rolling' staff. They seem to work for Chinese companies that organise gamblers trips. They provide casino chips and cash rebates on gambling arround 1-2 %. They may also offer credit but l stand corrected on that.
I believe the rebate in Sihanoukville is higher than many
other places. The 'rolling' staff are Chinese or Chinese language speaking Khmer. You would think there is a fair chunk of Chinese money being moved about by these people which may draw the attention of the Chinese Government.

Sihanoukville is very much a 'blue fence' city at present. Miles of blue fences in every direction. Behind each the same thing- casino under construction ( plus the odd new KTV).
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Re: predictions on future of sihanoukville and cambodia in general

Post by offroadscholar » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:56 am

paparazzi wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:26 am
It may be as simple as the Chinese Government blocking the online gambling sites. I guess the 'dark web' might prove problematic.

The staff working in the online casinos here in Sihanoukville are a mix of Chinese, Khmer and Indonesian. You can visit a few and online gambling is being conducted on the main casino floor amoungst the tourists playing. Its not all upstairs out of view.

When the staff from upstairs come to relax in the main casino area they certainly bet big. Possibly bonus money.

Another large group of Chinese workers at the Casino are the 'rolling' staff. They seem to work for Chinese companies that organise gamblers trips. They provide casino chips and cash rebates on gambling arround 1-2 %. They may also offer credit but l stand corrected on that.
I believe the rebate in Sihanoukville is higher than many
other places. The 'rolling' staff are Chinese or Chinese language speaking Khmer. You would think there is a fair chunk of Chinese money being moved about by these people which may draw the attention of the Chinese Government.

Sihanoukville is very much a 'blue fence' city at present. Miles of blue fences in every direction. Behind each the same thing- casino under construction ( plus the odd new KTV).
Is it a practice for some casino staff to use company money to gamble, ie, play at an empty table to attract paying customers ?
Could explain low paid casino workers with lots of cash to lose ?
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Re: predictions on future of sihanoukville and cambodia in general

Post by frank lee bent » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:03 pm

I believe what you say about the Chinese law is correct, however no Chinese nationals working in licensed Casinos here have been arrested for breaking the law you've described.
correct! so what happens is the Chinese gov ID's the perp, revoke their passport, and informs Cambodian immigration police who round them up for illegal stay. no valid passport= no valid visa.
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Post by bangkokhooker » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:24 pm

Here’s some reading for the uneducated.

“It is important to note that what is done in practice, and what is said, are sometimes two different things. The police authorities claim they are not focused on casual gambling (for example: friends betting mah-jong is not a focus) but there are more than 430 committees for sentencing and each ranking police official has much control in who is arrested and then sentenced. This means it is possible to be arrested and sentenced for casual gambling, it is just extremely rare this happens. The penalty for casual gambling is generally a fine not exceeding 3,000 yuan.“
https://www.onlinebetting.com/legal/china/

December 2017
“With gambling accounting for so much of Macau’s revenue, it’s surprising the government hasn’t done more to regulate the online gambling industry, but for now, no such regulated market exists and there doesn’t appear to be any penalty for players found gambling at international casino sites. It’s probably safe to assume this will change in the future as a crackdown on online gambling in Macau seems highly likely.”
https://onlinecasinosite.com/macau/

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Dream on. China and gambling is here to stay. Get over it.
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Re: predictions on future of sihanoukville and cambodia in general

Post by SmartAston Martin » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:12 am

Are we thinking too short-term right now?

China and the Chinese will build here (two distinct groups). China needs the Chinese to build a Chinese-friendly area. So, China allows the Chinese to build in SHK.

The Khmer watch and bank the money. I think there will be a clean up some years time, say, 3-5 years from now, depending on events.

China will usually allow business to flourish, then if and when it gets out of hand, clamp down on whoever is still reaching into the honey pot at the time.

The Art of War illustrates this point. The general only executes one of a hundred concubines (the best looking one, too) when there is disorder in the ranks. The rest fall in line when they realize they are next if they continue bad behavior.

Kind of textbook by now, isn't it?
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Re: predictions on future of sihanoukville and cambodia in general

Post by one_dolla » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:07 pm

A phone photo of the changing skyline (Blue Bay development is the Blue clad building on Independence Beach) seen from Occheuteal
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A Buffalo grazing in a small area of a flood plane being back filled for development... this area sees over 1m deep of water in the rainy season...the area where the buffalo is actually roped of for now! This photo does not do show how big an area is being back filled..its huge....

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Re: predictions on future of sihanoukville and cambodia in general

Post by Anchor Moy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:20 pm

Most of the lands behind the beaches are flood planes. Sihanoukville is built on wetlands between hills and the sea. I'm not an engineer, but its not difficult to work out that filling in the flood planes with concrete is going to cause future problems for the evacuation of rain water.
Also, most local/small houses in town are built at ground level and not raised on stilts to allow for flooding like they are in the countryside.
Shit happens, right ? :(
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