Better 'wipe' those hard drives!

Sidewalker · Post by **Sidewalker** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:02 pm

When you delete a file, the file is still on your hd, only the the first bit got turned around, that removed the overwrite protection. So long the file is not overwritten, you can retrieve the file with software. There is plenty of software who can shredded a file, when deleted and overwrite empty spaces (a deleted file is for the computer a empty space) with zero's and one's.

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:20 pm

Sidewalker wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:02 pm When you delete a file, the file is still on your hd, only the the first bit got turned around, that removed the overwrite protection. So long the file is not overwritten, you can retrieve the file with software. There is plenty of software who can shredded a file, when deleted and overwrite empty spaces (a deleted file is for the computer a empty space) with zero's and one's.

I explained this at great length previously:

Kuroneko wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:03 pm
violet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:52 am is it possible that a person who has never downloaded images/video of a pornographic nature could unwittingly have those items on their device without knowing? e.g. somehow carried / positioned from clicking on links/items on the internet?
Yes
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username · Post by **username** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:59 pm

Kuroneko: I think we're in agreement, I didn't take Violets reply into consideration in our discussion.

But to emphasize my point, if the whole system is encrypted, the security measures you are talking about isn't necessary to hide the traces, unless you willingly give any authorities access to the decrypted files, or they obtain access through measures I mentioned with the Silkroad admin.

Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:50 pm

username wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:59 pm Kuroneko: I think we're in agreement, I didn't take Violets reply into consideration in our discussion.

But to emphasize my point, if the whole system is encrypted, the security measures you are talking about isn't necessary to hide the traces, unless you willingly give any authorities access to the decrypted files, or they obtain access through measures I mentioned with the Silkroad admin.

"unless you willingly give any authorities access to the decrypted files"

Don't forget:

Refusing to decrypt your hard drive for authorities, even if you’ve allegedly forgotten the password, is still considered contempt of court. That’s according to a U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals ruling handed down this week, which upheld a lower court ruling.https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing ... -password/

Man jailed indefinitely for refusing to decrypt hard drives loses appeal. “Our client has now been in custody for almost 18 months,” defense attorney says.https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/201 ... es-appeal/

A university student has fallen foul of the law after refusing to give up his computer password. Christopher Wilson, who has his own business programming artificial intelligence systems, is suspected of hacking into police websites and using a voice-changing device to make hoax telephone calls warning of a cyber attack.

When detectives asked Wilson to reveal his computer password to aid in their investigation he refused. They subsequently made a special application to Crown Court judge Roger Thorn QC who ordered that the password should be made available in the interests of national security.https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/0 ... to-police/

You have a clean machine and encrypted files elsewhere no problem. However if you think the security measures I suggest are unnecessary, really up to you.

username · Post by **username** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:08 pm

I don't think they are unnecessary if the goal is to remove data, and I'm all for good computer hygiene. If you want to hide data, then encryption is the way to go. And if you really want to hide evidence, I'd have more layers than just a full disk encryption.

But as I said, I think we are in agreement, we're just discussing different things.

Luckily I'm not American, so I don't have to think about the court rulings, other than that they are seriously concerning. How can the judge confidently rule if the accused has actually forgotten the password or not? I can think of at least one time I was unable to access an encrypted desktop I didn't use frequently.

violet · Post by **violet** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:13 pm

Well I don’t want to end up in Thai jail for inadvertently having something on a laptop or phone. It is actually a concern i have had before.....just ‘cos I have an overactive imagination. Now my imagination seems to have been fair concern for what could happen if someone felt like amusing themselves with farangs

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:39 am

Does all this mean we should only use a tablet to search porn ?

Maladroit Drunkard · Post by **Maladroit Drunkard** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:20 am

Duncan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:39 am Does all this mean we should only use a tablet to search porn ?

there are many places on the planet with countries who dont have these repressive laws so search your soul and ask yourself why do you keep going to the despicable repressive ones, are you some sort of sadist or something?

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:39 am

Maladroit Drunkard wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:20 am
Duncan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:39 am Does all this mean we should only use a tablet to search porn ?
there are many places on the planet with countries who dont have these repressive laws so search your soul and ask yourself why do you keep going to the despicable repressive ones, are you some sort of sadist or something?

It's the new normal in this world .

Maladroit Drunkard · Post by **Maladroit Drunkard** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:42 am

Duncan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:39 am
Maladroit Drunkard wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:20 am
Duncan wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:39 am Does all this mean we should only use a tablet to search porn ?
there are many places on the planet with countries who dont have these repressive laws so search your soul and ask yourself why do you keep going to the despicable repressive ones, are you some sort of sadist or something?

It's the new normal in this world .

your world maybe, my world has many more places

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