RIP ? US veteran's ashes held for non-payment by funeral home

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Re: RIP ? US veteran's ashes held for non-payment by funeral home

Post by Barang_doa_slae » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:06 pm

While 1270$ might seem over valued, I have assisted and organized many deceased cremations and the 30$ quoted is BS. In my experience it costs from 100+ to plenty thousands of $.
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Re: RIP ? US veteran's ashes held for non-payment by funeral home

Post by AndyKK » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:10 pm

vladimir wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:09 pm
Kuroneko wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:43 pm
"because nobody has paid the $1,270 cremation fee" But its only about $30 for a cremation. I once helped a family out for a funeral for their son. I gave them $500 and it was a very palatial affair, wagon to take the body to the wat, cremation, Large marquee, food for guests etc. Not forgetting the loud annoying music. :D Seems a bit of a rip off.
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Re: RIP ? US veteran's ashes held for non-payment by funeral home

Post by Anchor Moy » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:14 pm

For me, if the US Embassy asked for a $ 1200+ cremation, then they should pay for it, and not the Cambodian family.
Difficult to know what really happened in this case.
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Re: RIP ? US veteran's ashes held for non-payment by funeral home

Post by phuketrichard » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:42 am

from US embassy site; https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-se ... s-citizen/
The next-of-kin or legal representative of the deceased is responsible for paying all funeral home expenses and costs associated with shipping the remains and any personal effects. In most cases, the next-of-kin is able to make payment arrangements directly with a funeral home.
Heres some costs for ya ,
https://th.usembassy.gov/wp-content/upl ... l-2017.pdf

$1,200 is a but high being as its Cambodia.

PS: gf mother cremation was held in their back yard ( outside Svay Rieng) last year, total cost for wood and monks was less than $100
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Re: RIP ? US veteran's ashes held for non-payment by funeral home

Post by Cam Nivag » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:44 am

Roy Day has raised $640 on gofundme:

https://www.gofundme.com/jimmie-sillavan-burial-fund

Michael Estep apparently started a gofundme campaign for this a few months back too, but the page has been deleted, it's unclear how much, if anything, was raised:

https://www.google.com/search?ei=FW8CWq ... Vq_Y57c_5I
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Re: RIP ? US veteran's ashes held for non-payment by funeral home

Post by Kuroneko » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:10 am

Barang_doa_slae wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:06 pm
While 1270$ might seem over valued, I have assisted and organized many deceased cremations and the 30$ quoted is BS. In my experience it costs from 100+ to plenty thousands of $.
Its not BS at all. I am talking here of the basic act of cremation. When you are poor, you take the body to the Wat yourself and pay between $20-$30 for wood and the cremation. Afterwards you pick through the ashes and collect the remains, and put them in a jar and take them home. Of course in addition you would also pay for monks and possibly food for guests depending on what you could afford, and where you sit in the community.In these circumstances the community usually assists.

The example I quoted where I spent $500, the whole process was reasonably elaborate and the body was transported in a coffin on a suitably attired truck. There were monks hired the previous day for chanting. There was also food and drinks for guests after the cremation. However the money payed to the guys chopping the wood and burning the body was still around $30. PR's quote of under $100 for wood and Monks is my experience also. The extra expense comes from the cost of hiring monks and catering for guests, not in the cremation itself.
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Re: RIP ? US veteran's ashes held for non-payment by funeral home

Post by cptrelentless » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:43 pm

Do they have bone crushers here? What do they do with the bones? When we burnt my wife's mother and her grand-parents they'd already been buried for a while so they fit into small pots and there wasn't much left over, if you have a fresh body you're going to get a lot left over. Especially on wood. I've never seen a communal ossuary here.
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Re: RIP ? US veteran's ashes held for non-payment by funeral home

Post by roy.day » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:49 am

UPDATE
On Nov. 1, 2017 an article appeared in the Stars & Stripes about Jimmie Sillavan, an American Air Force veteran who died in Cambodian on Dec. 21, 2015, leaving behind his Cambodian wife, Thavy, and infant son, Hemmie.
As is often the case, the funeral home would not release the remains until all services had been paid for. After Jimmie’s death, Thavy, with limited income was unable to settle his affairs and did not know where to find assistance. Airman Sillavan’s cremated remains were in limbo for almost two years.
Roy Day, Commander of the VFW Mayaguez Memorial Post 11575 in Phnom Penh, Cambodia met with Thavy and friend of the family, Michael Estep, to coordinate assistance. Even though Airman Sillavan was not a member of the VFW, Day started a web fundraiser and reached out to his fellow comrades in Post 11575 and VFW Pacific Area, District V (Thailand, Cambodia and Australia) for assistance. Over the next two weeks, Post 11575, its members, friends of the post and two members of Post 12074 in Chiang Mai donated $790.
Kenneth Stein, the District V Commander, contacted the posts in District V and secured approval to donate the remaining balance of $750 needed to have Airman Sillavan’s ashes released and pay the necessary fees to file for Hemmie’s Consular Report of Birth Abroad.
On the morning of Nov. 19, 2017 at Wat Ounalom in Phnom Penh, 12 VFW members and supporters attended the funeral service for Jimmie. District Commander Stein presented an American flag to Thavy and Hemmie.
In upholding one of the key principles of the VFW, “Perpetuate the memory of our dead and assist their surviving spouses and orphans,” Post 11575 will continue to assist Mrs. Sillavan and her son with other related issues and entitlements.
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Re: RIP ? US veteran's ashes held for non-payment by funeral home

Post by Username Taken » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:08 pm

That great news. Thanks for the update Roy.
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Re: RIP ? US veteran's ashes held for non-payment by funeral home

Post by phuketrichard » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:45 pm

great news to have his ashes released.
BUT; to file for report of birth abroad, i was led to believe both parents ( thats what it was in my case) need be there and even so
dont see what his son having a us passport will do, not like they can move there with no $$
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