Reforming Cambodia's education system

atst · Post by **atst** » Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:46 am

John Bingham wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:59 pm
atst wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:14 pm
John Bingham wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:45 pm
atst wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:52 am I sometimes wonder what these donators think when you the visit Cambodia and see more expensive and big cars driven around than they would back home.
What donors? ADB is a bank and isn't donating anything. It's a loan.
Geez you Nick pick on everything,do you think the loan will be paid back. It was a generalization.
These jaded old generalizations aren't terribly helpful though. THE PEOPLE IN BIG CARS STOLE ALL THEIR MONEY FROM STARVING ORPHANS! Of course they'll pay back the ADB, why would they default and jeopardize future loans? Can you point out any time in the past few decades that Cambodia has defaulted on any loan? The Lon Nol era stuff doesn't count.

Point taken by both replies to my comment, just driving around PP you don't get the same feeling as years ago that Cambodia needs a helping hand, and yes I do know there's poverty that needs addressing.

Kammekor · Post by **Kammekor** » Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:13 am

Freightdog wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:56 pm
So now there's a question left. In what way would you develop 'free' education in Cambodia?
Getting the population as a whole to take education more seriously, for the population as a whole.
I’ve only been around for 4 years, but a common theme among most close relatives of swmbo, and friends, etc- education is (paraphrasing) for rich people.
Dropout rates must surely be affected by peoples expectations on the value of education.

Just one aspect.

The problem of education in Cambodia is a nasty dragon with many heads. You chop off one, and solve one matter (for instance: prevent corruption by paying teacher salaries into their bank account instead of in cash at the district office of education (bowl on the table for 'donations') and another head grows and there's a new problem (you want to file your bank account,? There's the bowl on the table.).

Let's be honest, the education given in many state schools is hardly worth the effort. Teachers being absent, teachers showing up drunk, cleaning the school grounds every other Thursday, 'technical Thursday meetings' so NGO's can roll out their improvement plans, teachers forcing kids to spend money in the school..... There's so much wrong it's extremely hard to even think about a start of a solution.

To be honest I am surprised Cambodian culture still insists on a special 'greeting' for teachers, which is more respectful than the regular one (3 out of 5).

Post by **Freightdog** » Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:55 pm

It’s true, there’s no quick fix, no one place to apply that fix.
However, if a large part of the population actually maintain an idea that they or their kids are not due an education based solely on their social standing, they’ll have little reason to be invested in it.

Good schooling (by comparison with other Khmer state schools) can be had. It’s just inconsistent across the country, and good teachers are far from the norm.

But unless parents actually take the need for education seriously, there will never be a demand for something better, for improvement.

The reform needs to come from all angles, and isn’t going to be achieved within this generation or the next.
The stranglehold on progress that the political system has, needs to be challenged.

Post by **Clutch Cargo** » Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:22 pm

My landlord sent all their 4 children overseas to study starting high school I think. They're well off obviously but it says something about the standards they want and having them fluent in English. Now they are grown up and back in PP and all doing well in senior jobs/business as I understand it.

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:40 am

Freightdog wrote:The stranglehold on progress that the political system has, needs to be challenged.

Say that in Khmer on one of the major Facebook news websites and the political system will be quick to strangle. CEO is tolerated because it doesn’t influence the average Khmer.

The system is similar to old imperial Rome. The patricians dole out patronage to the unwashed supporters. Supported by a bedrock of poorly educated to do the dirty work.

Post by **Freightdog** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:34 am

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:40 am one of the major Facebook news websites

There’s not really much hope of any improvement anywhere if Facebook is to be invoked as a news website…

pootylicious · Post by **pootylicious** » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:31 pm

Gotta raise the average IQ , if you want more education to have any effect.

IraHayes · Post by **IraHayes** » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:46 pm

pootylicious wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:31 pm Gotta raise the average IQ , if you want more education to have any effect.

IQ is determined by your genes.
The American military has done more research into IQ than any other institution.

Improving education to give everyone an equal chance (equality of opportunity) would raise the average IQ of Cambodia by enabling those born with the right genes to have the education available to them to make use of their IQ.

pootylicious · Post by **pootylicious** » Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:47 pm

Does anyone here have kids enrolled in public schools, or otherwise have first hand experience with the schools here? The problems I heard about, really don't seem that hard to fix with modern tech

Cambo Dear · Post by **Cambo Dear** » Tue Nov 22, 2022 11:13 pm

There are so many facets to this question, it isn't even possible to give an answer. What about the children with learning difficulties/additional needs? How is a class with 50+ kids pitched at the correct level when these are never identified?

The Year 12 exam was cracked down on a good few years ago, leading to a year with very low pass rates, but now kids have to pay to attend extra classes where key parts of the syllabus are taught - probanly the same outcome as when you could pay for the answer key.

Teachers salaries so low, they can't make ends meet without asking kids for extra money.

A post-compulsory education system that is only focused on academic subjects, meaning you have a whole generation of young adults with finance degrees ina country with very little demand for them.

The hierarchical structure of society, where age and status trump all so even if you know your teacher is wrong, you cannot question them or even attempt a discussion around what they have said.

A rote learning system which stymies critical thinking.

No national library or archives to draw upon for research. Not even a reading culture among most of the population.

The list is endless - a good start would be more money in education; decent salaries for teachers; zero tolerance policy on corruption and some form of diagnosis for special needs.

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