Rural speak

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"BKL, I doubt it would be necessary to say 'somto' when addressing a kid."

I can't make a definite call on this. Under the circumstances it would be acceptable but it doesn't sound like"real" Cambodian to me. But it is certainly understandable and causes no harm.

However it is certainly not wrong to use it with kids under other circumstances.
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Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 10:47 am
The key word here is junghaan (ចង្ហាន់) which means food or money. It's specifically for monks, I assume kind of like the word "chaan" for eating, so they understand. I don't have a dictionary near me, so asked her if the word means "food" (and then was extended to money as well), or if it's the Khmer equivalent of the English word "alms". She said food and money. I'm a bit curious about this so maybe Jamie can check his dictionary for us.

Anyways, that's the correct thing to say. Like I said, we can usually get the message across in a sometimes crude way which isn't always appropriate, haha. I took years before some people corrected things I'd been saying since I learned Khmer. Anyways, ask your wife, I would be curious to know what she thinks.
been looking around online to try answer this for you, ចង្ហាន់ from what i can gather its the food offerings given specifically to monks, the meals that get prepared for the monks, im not sure if it includes like the offering of food like rice, bananas and fruit etc you might give when visiting a Wat, but like it could mean both though,
but i not see any connection for it meaning money though, not in dictionaries or google searches anwyay
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haha yeah i know that, sometimes i get so used to talking with my friends etc that when i start talking to someone new or in certain situations i can come across as being a bit too informal, and sometimes have to apologise lol
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Username Taken wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:58 am BKL, I doubt it would be necessary to say 'somto' when addressing a kid.

Taa, your thoughts?
i think it might be a little different when addressing a "little monk" than when addressing just your average kid, more out of politeness than the social age hierarchy of respect
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StroppyChops wrote:
Barang chgout wrote: Fri May 12, 2017 9:03 pm You have monks come past your house? Not meaning to be rude but just how rural is rural?

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We live in Boeung Tompun and we get monks past the house - don't you?
No mate, small town here and although I have NEVER seen the monks asking for alms, it seems most people just take stuff up to the wat.
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Barang chgout wrote: Fri May 12, 2017 9:03 pm You have monks come past your house? Not meaning to be rude but just how rural is rural?

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Thanks Jamie. Yeah, I was told it's for food, but implicitly includes money as well as that's what many give now.

Barang chgout, perhaps you live a bit far from the local wat? I don't know of any pagodas where the monks don't do alms. They cover the whole country pretty extensively. Sometimes in the countryside they walk quite a way (except in the rainy season of course). Usually though, the immediate village is enough to sustain the monks. Other people who live further out will go to the pagoda on thngai bun to give food and so on.
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Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 2:39 pm Thanks Jamie. Yeah, I was told it's for food, but implicitly includes money as well as that's what many give now.

Barang chgout, perhaps you live a bit far from the local wat? I don't know of any pagodas where the monks don't do alms. They cover the whole country pretty extensively. Sometimes in the countryside they walk quite a way (except in the rainy season of course). Usually though, the immediate village is enough to sustain the monks. Other people who live further out will go to the pagoda on thngai bun to give food and so on.
yeah i go to Wat Otres often and the offerings to the monks often include a mixture of fruits, tea, milk, sugar, rice etc, incense and candles, plus a small/medium money donation all placed onto a tray, im guessing this is also classed as a ចង្ហាន់ offering, but not everyone includes money, i used to mainly give money, but now im more inclined to buy all the stuff
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Jamie_Lambo wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 12:26 pm
Username Taken wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:58 am BKL, I doubt it would be necessary to say 'somto' when addressing a kid.

Taa, your thoughts?
i think it might be a little different when addressing a "little monk" than when addressing just your average kid, more out of politeness than the social age hierarchy of respect
A short story...

Our previous business manager was driving us in the country for a daytrip with his family, and pointed out some junior monks doing the rounds. He said, "Look, little monks."

I immediately responded with, "yeah, monklings." He looked at me blankly and asked me to repeat myself, which I did, and then he lapsed into silent thought.

A little later he asked, "Why you say like that? Monklings?"

I said, "Well, you know how baby ducks are ducklings? So, little monks are monklings." He agreed, and for the next 15 minutes I heard him practicing "monklings" under his breath.

I couldn't stick with it and eventually told him I was joking, but he didn't see the humour.
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StroppyChops wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 3:04 pm
Jamie_Lambo wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 12:26 pm
Username Taken wrote: Sat May 13, 2017 11:58 am BKL, I doubt it would be necessary to say 'somto' when addressing a kid.

Taa, your thoughts?
i think it might be a little different when addressing a "little monk" than when addressing just your average kid, more out of politeness than the social age hierarchy of respect
A short story...

Our previous business manager was driving us in the country for a daytrip with his family, and pointed out some junior monks doing the rounds. He said, "Look, little monks."

I immediately responded with, "yeah, monklings." He looked at me blankly and asked me to repeat myself, which I did, and then he lapsed into silent thought.

A little later he asked, "Why you say like that? Monklings?"

I said, "Well, you know how baby ducks are ducklings? So, little monks are monklings." He agreed, and for the next 15 minutes I heard him practicing "monklings" under his breath.

I couldn't stick with it and eventually told him I was joking, but he didn't see the humour.
haha i love the term "little monks"
i first heard it on this story... https://cambodiaexpatsonline.com/newswor ... t6946.html
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100 m to the wat. OSom.

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OSaom (Damn auto correct)

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