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Doc67 wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:36 am
tightenupvolume1 wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 4:50 pm Things are moving fast. We partly open up on Monday and then further on June 23. Should things go the wrong way in the next couple of weeks then it could all be revoked. It's anyones guess what this summer will bring. :(
This is becoming a big concern for me. I am planning to go to UK next week, get fully jabbed up over the next 2 months plus a couple of weeks for 'full' protection (looking less dependable right now).

That puts me in the UK at the end of July and about to leave and head for Mexico. This is my only way into South America (see below). This will be about the time when another outbreak could be raging with this Indian variant. India has been quarantined by the rest of the world, with no flights or travellers that have been there for 14+ days.

If the UK becomes the next hotspot for the Indian variant, it could find itself in the same position as India with countries closing their borders. Remember, UK travellers are still bared from entry to many countries because of the Kent variant, even though that is now global. South America nations, except Mexico, are in this group. Even Brazil still bars UK flights because of the Kent variant.

These 'No-Fly' bans tend to stick around long beyond the point of them. I could get stuck in the UK for a long time.
I know you don't want to hear this, but you should really reconsider your travel plans.This Indian variant is a game changer and has a strong potential to undo the progress so far in the UK. Also your concerns above seem to focus on travel issues only and not potential health issues for yourself. The Astrazeneca vaccine has been used widely in UK ,and there is now evidence that is does not offer protection against the Indian variant.
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atst wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 8:39 am
Doc67 wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 8:13 am
armchairlawyer wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:52 am
Doc67 wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 7:41 am
My prospective flight is very early, preceded only by one from Melbourne, and then at my arrival time with two others from Chicago and Kuala Lumpur. I am hoping (praying) that arrivals will not be too busy.
You don't need to worry about mingling with pax from Melbourne (no Covid there), and I doubt there will be many coming from there in any case. But that won't be a direct flight, it must be stopping somewhere en route.
Chicago not too risky.
KL is a different story.
It's a codeshare with China Eastern and goes from Melbourne to Perth, then from Perth direct to London.
What date you flying out, maybe see you at the airport don't forget us we like updates on your travel/lockdown adventures
Funny we arrived last year about the same time and leaving same time
I'm looking at one day this week. No flight booked yet, I won't do that until I get a negative test result.
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Doc67 wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 8:13 am
It's a codeshare with China Eastern and goes from Melbourne to Perth, then from Perth direct to London.
No problem with that one then. I suspect there will be bugger all pax on it. I'm amazed about that codeshare in the light of the deterioration in relations between the relevant countries.

Pre-Covid, I landed at SFO late one evening only to find a full flight from PEK had got in just ahead of us. Not many desks were staffed, every pax from that flight was taking 5 minutes to process and the queues were horrendous. There was about 20 of us. The staff took pity on us honkies and herded us through a separate channel. Somehow I don't think that will happen at LHR.
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Travellers from Cambodia are no longer permitted to enter Japan.

Japan Bans Entry of Foreigners from Thailand & 6 Other Countries
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May 20, 2021

On Wednesday, the Japanese government said it will ban the entry of all foreign travellers who have visited Thailand and six other countries in an effort to curb the spread of COVID-19.

The measure will be effective from Friday. The six countries are Cambodia, Sri Lanka, Seychelles, Saint Lucia, East Timor, and Mongolia, bringing the number of countries and regions under such restrictions to 159.

Foreign travellers who have been to those areas within 14 days of arrival will not be allowed to enter Japan except under special circumstances. Japanese nationals are not subject to the measure.
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How Changi Airport became Singapore's largest active Covid-19 cluster with over 100 cases
May 22, 2021
published at 6:35 AMBy Linette Lai The Straits Times

SINGAPORE - In less than a month, the Covid-19 cluster at Changi Airport has swelled to more than 100 people, including airport workers whose jobs did not require them to interact with passengers, family members of front-line staff and visitors.

It is now the largest active cluster in Singapore, and accounts for four of the 30 new community cases reported on Friday (May 21).
Stringent measures — including strict limits on social gatherings and proactive testing of airport staff — are currently in place to ring-fence the cluster and prevent further transmission in the wider community.

But how did Singapore land itself in this situation?

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In early April, Covid-19 cases in India began to rise, leading to questions being raised about whether Singapore should take pre-emptive measures to stop flights from the country.

On April 22, the country announced it would ban all long-term pass holders and short-term visitors who had travelled to India in the past 14 days. A week later, these restrictions were extended to four neighbouring countries: Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

But by then, the new, more transmissible B1617 strain had already made significant inroads here.

As an outward-looking country with a globalised economy, highly dependent on workers from abroad for several key industries, Singapore took "the strategic decision to remain open as long as possible", noted Associate Professor Natasha Howard from the National University of Singapore's Saw Swee Hock School of Public Health.

It was therefore to be expected that some cases would be imported even with rigorous border control measures, given how differently the virus has been controlled in many countries, she said.

In other words, cutting off flights from high-risk countries would simply have delayed the inevitable, said Associate Professor Jeremy Lim, also from the Saw Swee Hock School.

Even so, this delay could have been crucial in "bolstering the bulwarks", Prof Lim added. "Could we have closed off for a short period, to review and tighten our defences?"

Associate Professor Hsu Li Yang, vice-dean of global health at the school, also pointed out that the World Health Organisation and other agencies classified the B1617 strain as a variant of concern only in early May, after the infections in Singapore had occurred.

"I think hindsight is 20/20 here," he said. "Although the overwhelming outbreak in India - and perhaps more importantly, the displacement of all other variants in India by this variant - would have signalled that greater caution was necessary here."

Spreading the virus
Phylogenetic test results from an initial batch of infected airport workers found that they had the B1617 variant, and were similar enough that they pointed to a common source of infection.

Early signs suggest that this initial transmission could have occurred through an airport worker who had assisted a family from South Asia, said the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore and Changi Airport Group in a joint statement on Friday (May 21). The family later tested positive for the virus.

It remains unclear exactly how the virus subsequently spread to other workers and members of the public, although doctors have pointed to the air-conditioned environment as a possible contributing factor.

Some infected workers having their meals in the Terminal 3 foodcourt could also have exposed other diners to the virus.
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Still no changes to transiting through changi airport on their official website, fingers crossed it doesn't change.

https://www.changiairport.com/en/airpor ... port.html
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xX.TROPA.Xx wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 10:30 am Still no changes to transiting through changi airport on their official website, fingers crossed it doesn't change.

https://www.changiairport.com/en/airpor ... port.html
THanks bro i been checking as well. In case Eva Airlines extends the transit ban - it ends June 18th but ya never know

I just hate the Singapore 9 hour layover wtf.. but it will be what it will be

see u in quarantine... will look out for the Old Dirty Bastard joint.. !
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BklynBoy wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 8:58 pm
xX.TROPA.Xx wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 10:30 am Still no changes to transiting through changi airport on their official website, fingers crossed it doesn't change.

https://www.changiairport.com/en/airpor ... port.html
THanks bro i been checking as well. In case Eva Airlines extends the transit ban - it ends June 18th but ya never know

I just hate the Singapore 9 hour layover wtf.. but it will be what it will be

see u in quarantine... will look out for the Old Dirty Bastard joint.. !
Are you even allowed to wait for 9 hours at Changi? I thought they shepherded people, in single file, from the plane they get off and direct to their gate from which they depart. No strolling around or going for some food - from gate to gate.
That doesn't sound like a place to sit still for 9 hours, even if they allow a layover of so long.
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Doc67 wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 7:12 am
BklynBoy wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 8:58 pm
xX.TROPA.Xx wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 10:30 am Still no changes to transiting through changi airport on their official website, fingers crossed it doesn't change.

https://www.changiairport.com/en/airpor ... port.html
THanks bro i been checking as well. In case Eva Airlines extends the transit ban - it ends June 18th but ya never know

I just hate the Singapore 9 hour layover wtf.. but it will be what it will be

see u in quarantine... will look out for the Old Dirty Bastard joint.. !
Are you even allowed to wait for 9 hours at Changi? I thought they shepherded people, in single file, from the plane they get off and direct to their gate from which they depart. No strolling around or going for some food - from gate to gate.
That doesn't sound like a place to sit still for 9 hours, even if they allow a layover of so long.
I am gonna double check but there is def a 9 hour layover. I might not have any other choice but hope Taiwan handles their shit so Eva will be good to go. I remember something like your saying about being brought to the next gate when i transited last summer
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Doc67 wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 7:12 am
BklynBoy wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 8:58 pm
xX.TROPA.Xx wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 10:30 am Still no changes to transiting through changi airport on their official website, fingers crossed it doesn't change.

https://www.changiairport.com/en/airpor ... port.html
THanks bro i been checking as well. In case Eva Airlines extends the transit ban - it ends June 18th but ya never know

I just hate the Singapore 9 hour layover wtf.. but it will be what it will be

see u in quarantine... will look out for the Old Dirty Bastard joint.. !
Are you even allowed to wait for 9 hours at Changi? I thought they shepherded people, in single file, from the plane they get off and direct to their gate from which they depart. No strolling around or going for some food - from gate to gate.
That doesn't sound like a place to sit still for 9 hours, even if they allow a layover of so long.
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