Traveling in Times of Coronavirus

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SternAAlbifrons wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 4:25 pm Sorry Doc :D to disappoint you ^^^ none of that is correct.
and pubs are open on Monday (for two beers only)
FTFY

Both Oz and NZ are getting back to normal far earlier than most because our measures were so successful (and never contained any of those measures as you described above ^^^)

PS - Are you also against recommendations (only) for regular handwashing??
Well, I was joking, but I do refer to the no smoking anywhere including within a set distance of buildings and doorways of anywhere it seems (saw that in Perth a long while back, but I bet that's just got much worse) and the RSA stuff that makes getting drunk the responsibility of the bar servers and owners, with the attendant paranoia of serving you after whatever they deem to be too much. The distancing and hand washing police aspect remains to be seen, but Australia does Nanny State like no other.

And pubs in the UK are open soon too, where you can enjoyas many warm beers as you like for as little as AUD$5
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hunter8 wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 4:37 pm
SternAAlbifrons wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 4:25 pm Both Oz and NZ are getting back to normal far earlier than most
Do you think there is a slight chance that Oz and Nz were hit much less than other “western” countries because they are in the southern hemisphere and respiratory diseases usually make a hit in winter?
South Africa's and Australia's most densely populated areas sit on or around the 34th parallel south.

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hunter8 wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 4:37 pm
SternAAlbifrons wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 4:25 pm Both Oz and NZ are getting back to normal far earlier than most
Do you think there is a slight chance that Oz and Nz were hit much less than other “western” countries because they are in the southern hemisphere and respiratory diseases usually make a hit in winter?
Australia, particularly, had many early cases. Mainly imported from OS and then rapidly spread from there.
There is absolutely no doubt it would have spread rapidly if the response was not contained so well.
Not just the lockdowns, but also the rigerous tracking and very high testing levels.

But you do have a valid point, Hunter.
Our traditional flu season is just beginning. If the starting point at the beginning of winter (next Monday) had been as high as it would have been without these measures - they would have had little chance of stopping the disaster that has happened elsewhere.
As it stands now - the lockdowns are ending quickly because, with the time bought, Australia is well equipped to jump on to the inevitable outbreaks that will occur this winter. Almost certainly without reintroduction of harsh measures.

PS, only 10% of Oz cases were from "community contagion". 90% were from overseas entries and the people that they directly infected. This is the reason that OS travel will be the last restrictions to ease.
NObody here argues that Oz and NZ measure were not exactly right on the mark.
(except the usual few tin-hat extreme rightists and a small minority of the most uncaring free-range capitalists)
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Kung-fu Hillbilly wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 4:53 pm
hunter8 wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 4:37 pm
SternAAlbifrons wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 4:25 pm Both Oz and NZ are getting back to normal far earlier than most
Do you think there is a slight chance that Oz and Nz were hit much less than other “western” countries because they are in the southern hemisphere and respiratory diseases usually make a hit in winter?
South Africa's and Australia's most densely populated areas sit on or around the 34th parallel south.

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Climate / season is one factor, and I think it's a major factor, but not the only one.
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Kung-fu Hillbilly wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 4:53 pm
hunter8 wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 4:37 pm
SternAAlbifrons wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 4:25 pm Both Oz and NZ are getting back to normal far earlier than most
Do you think there is a slight chance that Oz and Nz were hit much less than other “western” countries because they are in the southern hemisphere and respiratory diseases usually make a hit in winter?
South Africa's and Australia's most densely populated areas sit on or around the 34th parallel south.

South Africa
Confirmed cases
27,403

Recovered
14,370

Deaths
577
This data proves my point actually.
Population of SA - 58 million, same as big European nations that have just been through winter while SA went out of summer. Deaths have been ~50 times less in SA than in EU up until now. But it’s more than one factor of course. The diet has much to do with who dies. How many are 70-80yo overweight diabetics in SA?

Now back to southern hemisphere countries. How long can Nz and Oz afford to keep people in a complete lockdown if the outbreaks were to hit in winter months as would be expected of a respiratory disease? Did they perhaps waste their bullets too early? Soon to be seen.
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SternAAlbifrons wrote: Fri May 29, 2020 4:25 pm Sorry Doc :D to disappoint you ^^^ none of that is correct.
and pubs are open on Monday.

Both Oz and NZ are getting back to normal far earlier than most because our measures were so successful (and never contained any of those measures as you described above ^^^)

PS - Are you also against recommendations (only) for regular handwashing??
You have me confused there. Are you talking about the '' old normal '' or the '' new normal ''.?
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Good point, Dunc.
New normal, methinks. It's a new epoch now.
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World COVID-19 Airport Status

Below the regional data/graph on the page linked is a search bar function in which to enter the country you're interested in. Below the search bar is a country A-Z.

https://www.icao.int/safety/Pages/COVID ... tatus.aspx
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In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
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Indonesia considers tourism resumption, Cambodia, Thailand tighten border control
Indonesia is planning to reopen Bali to tourists while Cambodia and Thailand have moved to increase border control to prevent further COVID-19 transmission.
VNA Friday, May 29, 2020 14:22

Hanoi (VNA) – Indonesia is planning to reopen Bali to tourists while Cambodia and Thailand have moved to increase border control to prevent further COVID-19 transmission.

Indonesia’s popular holiday destination Bali is expected to resume tourism activities soon.

Minister of Tourism and Creative Economy Wishnutama Kusubandio said on May 28 that Bali is one of the Indonesian provinces that could be allowed to reopen to international visitors.

Bali Vice Governor Tjokorda Oka Artha Ardana Sukawati also stated earlier that his province is ready to carry out requirements to become a safe destination for foreign tourists after the pandemic.

The Nusa Dua area of Bali is set to be the pilot area for the “new normal” scenario in the tourism sector as proposed by hotel and restaurant groups in the province.

Last week, the local administration discussed this issue with tourism businesses and provincial agencies to issue new health protocols to ensure safety for travellers when tourism activities resume.

In Cambodia, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Interior Sar Kheng asked the administration in localities that border Thailand to increase professional measures at border checkpoints to prevent Cambodian workers from entering Thailand, which will shut its border until June 30 to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

He said on May 27 that border gates are currently closed, so illegal migration to Thailand must be prevented, especially when the neighbouring country is still in the state of emergency.

Meanwhile, the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA), in cooperation with Phnom Penh City Bus (PPCB) Administration and PPCB Authority, said they are implementing virus prevention measures and training staff to minimise the risk of virus infections for bus drivers and passengers once operations resume.

The PPCB Authority also said it is planning to impose regulations permitting a maximum of 20 passengers per bus in order to adhere to distancing guidelines. However, it doesn’t know when exactly the government will allow operations to resume.

The Cambodian Government on May 26 decided to relax the ban on sports activities after the COVID-19 situation in the country had shown improvement.

In Thailand, the Padang Besar border checkpoint in Sadao district of Songkhla province, which is adjacent to Malaysia, was closed again on May 28 after local authorities had discovered some new COVID-19 cases among Thais returning from overseas.

The Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) said some new patients returned from Saudi Arabia through Padang Besar.

Apart from Padang Besar, the Sadao checkpoint on the Thailand-Malaysia border remains closed since April 23 for fear of virus transmission.
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