John Bingham wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:03 am

Kohker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:38 pm

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:16 am I've found there's sometimes a sort of thinly veiled animosity towards the minorities (Khmers still ran raiding parties and enslaved them till the late 1800s after all).

Do you have any links about the enslavement or raiding partys I can't find any info online?

Zhou Daguan wrote about this.

Thank you sir.

Kohker wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:08 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:03 am

Kohker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:38 pm

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:16 am I've found there's sometimes a sort of thinly veiled animosity towards the minorities (Khmers still ran raiding parties and enslaved them till the late 1800s after all).

Do you have any links about the enslavement or raiding partys I can't find any info online?

Zhou Daguan wrote about this.

Thank you sir.

Extract from A record of Cambodia : the land and its people Daguan Zhou; Translated by Peter Harris

The English translation of Zhou Daguan's work on Angkor, this work covers description of the royal palace, sacred buildings, women, traders, slaves, hill people, animals, landscapes, and everyday

Chapter 9 Slaves
Family slaves are all savages purchased to work as servants. Most families have a hundred or more of them; a few have ten or twenty; only the very poorest have none at all. The savages are people from the mountains. They have their own way of categorizing themselves, but are commonly called “thieving Zhuang.”41 When they come to the city, none of them dares go in and out of people’s homes. They are so despised that if there is a quarrel between two city dwellers, it only takes one of them to be called a Zhuang for hatred to enter into the marrow of his bones.

A strong young slave is worth perhaps a hundred pieces of cloth; a weak old one can only fetch thirty or forty. They are only allowed to sit and sleep under the house.42 If they are carrying out their tasks then they can come up into the house, but they must kneel, join their hands in greeting, and bow down to the floor before they can venture forward. They address their master as batuo and their mistress as mi. Batuo is “father,” and mi is “mother.”43 If they do something wrong they are beaten, and take their caning with heads bowed, not venturing to move even a little.

The males and females mate together, but the master would never have reason to have intercourse with them. Sometimes a Chinese who comes to Cambodia and has long been single will act carelessly, but as soon as he has had relations with one of them the master will hear of it, and the following day he will refuse to sit with the Chinese, on the grounds that he has come into contact with a savage.

Sometimes one of them will have intercourse with an outsider, to the point of becoming pregnant and having a baby. But the master won’t try and find out where it is from, since the mother has no status and he will profit from the child, who can eventually become his slave.

Sometimes slaves run away. Those that are caught and taken back must carry a dark blue tattoo on their face, and sometimes an iron shackle around their neck or between their arms and legs.44

Thanks for taking the time to post

John Bingham wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:03 am

Kohker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:38 pm

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:16 am I've found there's sometimes a sort of thinly veiled animosity towards the minorities (Khmers still ran raiding parties and enslaved them till the late 1800s after all).

Do you have any links about the enslavement or raiding partys I can't find any info online?

Zhou Daguan wrote about this.

Not in the late 1800s he didn't. Henri Mahout went to visit some of the minorities, but I don't recall him mentioning enslavement of them, although slavery was common in Cambodia at the time, however I may have forgotten.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46559/4 ... 6559-h.htm

siliconlife wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:07 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:03 am

Kohker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:38 pm

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:16 am I've found there's sometimes a sort of thinly veiled animosity towards the minorities (Khmers still ran raiding parties and enslaved them till the late 1800s after all).

Do you have any links about the enslavement or raiding partys I can't find any info online?

Zhou Daguan wrote about this.

Not in the late 1800s he didn't. Henri Mahout went to visit some of the minorities, but I don't recall him mentioning enslavement of them, although slavery was common in Cambodia at the time, however I may have forgotten.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46559/4 ... 6559-h.htm

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:16 amtill the late 1800s.

I never said anything about him writing in the late 1800s. Why mention Henri Mahout when you don't even remember what he wrote?

John Bingham wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:19 pm

siliconlife wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:07 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:03 am

Kohker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:38 pm

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:16 am I've found there's sometimes a sort of thinly veiled animosity towards the minorities (Khmers still ran raiding parties and enslaved them till the late 1800s after all).

Do you have any links about the enslavement or raiding partys I can't find any info online?

Zhou Daguan wrote about this.

Not in the late 1800s he didn't. Henri Mahout went to visit some of the minorities, but I don't recall him mentioning enslavement of them, although slavery was common in Cambodia at the time, however I may have forgotten.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46559/4 ... 6559-h.htm

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:16 amtill the late 1800s.

I never said anything about him writing in the late 1800s. Why mention Henri Mahout when you don't even remember what he wrote?

Bitte was talking about the late 1800s, and Kohker was asking about it. Read the posts, before you post your own, Bingham! Mahout did write about slavery, and the minorities, so anyone interested can investigate in the link. Just trying to be helpful!

siliconlife wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:27 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:19 pm

siliconlife wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:07 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:03 am

Kohker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:38 pm

Do you have any links about the enslavement or raiding partys I can't find any info online?

Zhou Daguan wrote about this.

Not in the late 1800s he didn't. Henri Mahout went to visit some of the minorities, but I don't recall him mentioning enslavement of them, although slavery was common in Cambodia at the time, however I may have forgotten.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46559/4 ... 6559-h.htm

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:16 amtill the late 1800s.

I never said anything about him writing in the late 1800s. Why mention Henri Mahout when you don't even remember what he wrote?

Bitte was talking about the late 1800s, and Kohker was asking about it. Read the posts, before you post your own, Bingham! Mahout did write about slavery, and the minorities, so anyone interested can investigate in the link. Just trying to be helpful!

I take it you don't understand what the phrase "till the late 1800s" means?

John Bingham wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:14 pm

siliconlife wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:27 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:19 pm

siliconlife wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:07 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:03 am

Zhou Daguan wrote about this.

Not in the late 1800s he didn't. Henri Mahout went to visit some of the minorities, but I don't recall him mentioning enslavement of them, although slavery was common in Cambodia at the time, however I may have forgotten.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46559/4 ... 6559-h.htm

Bitte_Kein_Lexus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:16 amtill the late 1800s.

I never said anything about him writing in the late 1800s. Why mention Henri Mahout when you don't even remember what he wrote?

Bitte was talking about the late 1800s, and Kohker was asking about it. Read the posts, before you post your own, Bingham! Mahout did write about slavery, and the minorities, so anyone interested can investigate in the link. Just trying to be helpful!

I take it you don't understand what the phrase "till the late 1800s" means?

Why so aggressive? I don't mean any harm. I just thought it worth mentioning that Zhou Daguan wrote only about a time 800 years before the end of that time period, and so perhaps Mahout may have been of interest too. Do we have a problem here?

I'm not being aggressive, I just think you didn't understand or misinterpreted what was posted. Zhou Daguan visited around 1300 so more like 600 years, which is included in the "up to the late 1900s" period.
Also related is the pejorative word for hill tribe in Laos/ Thailand is "Kha" , which means slave.
From Frank M Lebar etc al., "Ethnic Groups of Mainland Southeast Asia" 1964.

John Bingham wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:13 pm I'm not being aggressive, I just think you didn't understand or misinterpreted what was posted. Zhou Daguan visited around 1300 so more like 600 years, which is included in the "up to the late 1900s" period.
Also related is the pejorative word for hill tribe in Laos/ Thailand is "Kha" , which means slave.
From Frank M Lebar etc al., "Ethnic Groups of Mainland Southeast Asia" 1964.

Yeah that would be the "up to the 1500s" period, imo; it's background info. I'm not trying to upstage your omnipresent fount of knowledge, John, just trying to add something to the conversation, so let's keep it civil, instead of taking jabs at people's memory or language ability, eh? Have a nice day!