The weapons industry is very powerful in the US, it being the most powerful country in the world. It's gonna be a hard time to pry the automatic weapons out of the hands of a country, that is sponsored by war itself.

I suggest visiting places like Northern California, the population is generally against personal arms there, even voting for Propostion H in San Francisco, despite it being put down in court later.

Anchor Moy wrote:To my US amigos:
Another terrible mass shooting and tragedy.I'm just don't think that you can put the blame on the religion, or the nationality, of this madman and murderer.As OMK points out so well, he could just as well have been a Christian extremist.(See the mass-shooting graph below.)
Any person of any religion can have mental health issues, anger issues, be violently homophobic etc.
AFAIK, all US citizens are equal under the constitution and this guy was a US citizen who had the constitutional right to bear arms according to the second amendment, and it's also reported that he even had his Florida gun license.
In fact, this guy was just like you guys : A US citizen, "born in the USA". BUT, one rotten apple doesn't mean that all Americans are rotten, and one wacko from Florida doesn't mean that everyone from Florida is borderline. No, that is just ignorant stereotyping. So, no, we can't say it's because he's American, or it's because he's from Florida, or it's because he's Muslim, that he did what he did.

Red is deaths by mass shooting in the US by non-Muslims. Blue is Muslim.

http://econbrowser.com/archives/2015/12 ... non-muslim

Washington Post on the nightclub shootings:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... -gay-club/
Washington Post on mass shootings in the US:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... n-america/

100% agree AM. What Obama said in that statement from the WPost is outrageous IMO. Sure does sound like he thinks it's Islamic terrorism. I guess that makes Timothy McVeigh a terrorist. Of course he could just be talking about more police with army equipment.

“As Americans, we are united in grief, in outrage, and in resolve to defend our people,” Obama said during a brief speech at the White House, where he said the FBI is investigating the Orlando massacre as an act of terrorism.

Unless he has info that there was a group or even an individual(?) that had been trained, equipped etc. by ISIS It's just another Timothy McVeigh in my book. A lone nutter with serious "issues". He didn't even seem to know who the head of ISIS was.

Maybe this has something to do with it.
During the war in Afghanistan (2001–present), over 26,000 civilian deaths due to war-related violence have been documented; 29,900 civilians have been wounded. Over 91,000 Afghans, including civilians, soldiers and militants, are recorded to have been killed in the conflict, and the number who have died through indirect causes related to the war may include an additional 360,000 people.
All these killing for fake gods and books of lies.

beaker wrote:Maybe this has something to do with it.
During the war in Afghanistan (2001–present), over 26,000 civilian deaths due to war-related violence have been documented; 29,900 civilians have been wounded. Over 91,000 Afghans, including civilians, soldiers and militants, are recorded to have been killed in the conflict, and the number who have died through indirect causes related to the war may include an additional 360,000 people.

Yeah but why take it out on the gay community? Although he was pretty hot, maybe guys kept hitting on him?

Reliance of the Traveler (Sharia Manual)
Sec. P 17.3
"The Prophet said:"
"1) Kill the one who sodomises and the one who lets it be done to him."
"2) "May Allah curse him who does what Lots people did."

Lovely Religion, Not!

Where was the armed security at this place? My guess is that this club was in violation of state/local laws on armed security. I wonder if people were searched for weapons while entering? According to reports, Omar Mateen was a devote Muslim. (and not caucasion) How about some investigation into the mosque where he got his ideas? One armed guard or person with a carry permit would have nailed this Islamic nut. Its interesting that most "mass shootings" in America are done in areas where by law an American cannot carry a personal defense weapon. Time to change the laws. I don't assume anyone from countries outside America will/can understand our culture and way of life and I will/have seen opinions against our 2nd amendment, but unless they are an America voter, there isn't squat they can do about it, but talk about it. Obama-Iben-lying wants to let 200,000 Muslims into America and Hillary want to let even more in. Stupid is just not repairable.

haha make laws for everyone right to carry guns then make laws for security to search for guns on everyone

hanno wrote:How can it be possible in a supposedly civilized nation to buy a gun powerful enough to kill 50 people? Regardless of whether he is black, white, or green? Especially if it is true what they are saying on BBC; that the killer was known to the FBI.

So how did they manage to do it in France with all the gun control laws? The common factor was an Islamist terrorist.

Anyway, I found this comment which sums up the situation perfectly.

Even after Bataclan you could sense some degree of "fatigue".

People don't really know what to say about Islam anymore. They've been telling us this religion wuz a gud boy one time too many, to the point where those incantations don't really have the desired effect.

It's completely worn out and everyone knew what every body else was going to say even before all the bodies were dragged off to the morgue. But nobody on the left is ready to face the consequences of the basic realization that Islam sucks : to the general public Donald Trump is looking increasingly right in saying Muslims should not be welcomed into non Islamic nations.

But the real problem here is Europe. Now more than ever it is impossible for this idiotic continent to realize or acknowledge that uncontrolled Islam and Islamic immigration was a terrible mistake, since they're already knee deep in it. So while everyone understands and realize that there is a problem, no one knows how to stop it, and so we're at a point now where every body is gonna pretend like nothing is happening while knowing full well that "it" is "happening", because the pain of contemplating the consequences of the truth are just too great.

This is all compounded by the fact that this particular attack wasn't SOME FUCKING WHITE MALE attacking some minority group, but rather was an instance of the oppression totem cannibalizing itself. Suddenly, a minority wasn't simply reacting to the evil Whites, but was rather showing initiative and agency in his attack. No foreign policy, no discrimination, no white guy on the horizon. Just an American Muslim shooting up gay Latinos.

A minority that has been constantly advocated for by the left suddenly went out and slaughtered another minority advocated for by the left. And all you people are doing is trying to deny any link to Islam.

It's really sad just how far into damage control society has gone. Islam is a problem, just like all other religions. However the left comes out and defends Islam while criticizing the other religions. Literally every single one of you went "what about the Christians?" to deflect from the issue.



There's no constructive discussion so the situation will explode in the not to distant future. Either peacefully admit fault with Islam now, like you do with Christianity, or see society fracture into a war once the issue becomes so partisan. You do realize that by completely stifling debate, people won't stop thinking those thoughts, they'll go where they can think them? Criticizing religion isn't some horrific thing to do, but the left is increasingly acting like it is. Secularism was the basis of Western enlightenment. You can't see the problem with actively fighting against one of the oldest tenets of the modern Western world and then acting offended when people persist in doing it?

No doubt I'll just get 10 more "Islam isn't the problem, bigot" comments.

Sailorman wrote: Its interesting that most "mass shootings" in America are done in areas where by law an American cannot carry a personal defense weapon. Time to change the laws. I don't assume anyone from countries outside America will/can understand our culture and way of life and I will/have seen opinions against our 2nd amendment

you mean to change the laws so no one has the right to bare arms? since the 70's (not including the IRA bombings) there has only been 3 mass shootings in the UK - Hungerford, Dunblane and Cumbria with a total of 46 deaths,
we dont really need to understand americas love for guns, its primitive, what do we need to learn from it? that guns are good m'kayyy

hanno wrote:How can it be possible in a supposedly civilized nation to buy a gun powerful enough to kill 50 people? Regardless of whether he is black, white, or green? Especially if it is true what they are saying on BBC; that the killer was known to the FBI.

haha of coarse the FBI knew about him, just like the Mi5 knew about Michael Adebolajo the guy who chopped off Lee Rigbys head in broad daylight in the streets of London, actually they didnt just know about him, they freed him from a Kenyan prison where he was serving a sentence of terrorism charges, brought him back to the UK in order to turn him into an "informant"

most of these acts of terrorism are set up to fuel the "War on Terror"