To my US amigos:
Another terrible mass shooting and tragedy.I'm just don't think that you can put the blame on the religion, or the nationality, of this madman and murderer.As OMK points out so well, he could just as well have been a Christian extremist.(See the mass-shooting graph below.)
Any person of any religion can have mental health issues, anger issues, be violently homophobic etc.
AFAIK, all US citizens are equal under the constitution and this guy was a US citizen who had the constitutional right to bear arms according to the second amendment, and it's also reported that he even had his Florida gun license.
In fact, this guy was just like you guys : A US citizen, "born in the USA". BUT, one rotten apple doesn't mean that all Americans are rotten, and one wacko from Florida doesn't mean that everyone from Florida is borderline. No, that is just ignorant stereotyping. So, no, we can't say it's because he's American, or it's because he's from Florida, or it's because he's Muslim, that he did what he did.

Red is deaths by mass shooting in the US by non-Muslims. Blue is Muslim.

http://econbrowser.com/archives/2015/12 ... non-muslim

Washington Post on the nightclub shootings:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... -gay-club/
Washington Post on mass shootings in the US:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... n-america/

Of all the possible reasons and incidents that might be used to successfully curb gun rights in America, I think that a Islamic terrorist using America's freedoms (i.e. the freedom to own firearms) to attack Americans is about the least likely to fill that bill. Would be ironic though.

Anchor Moy wrote:To my US amigos:
Another terrible mass shooting and tragedy.I'm just don't think that you can put the blame on the religion, or the nationality, of this madman and murderer.As OMK points out so well, he could just as well have been a Christian extremist.(See the mass-shooting graph below.)
Any person of any religion can have mental health issues, anger issues, be violently homophobic etc.
AFAIK, all US citizens are equal under the constitution and this guy was a US citizen who had the constitutional right to bear arms according to the second amendment, and it's also reported that he even had his Florida gun license.
In fact, this guy was just like you guys : A US citizen, "born in the USA". BUT, one rotten apple doesn't mean that all Americans are rotten, and one wacko from Florida doesn't mean that everyone from Florida is borderline. No, that is just ignorant stereotyping. So, no, we can't say it's because he's American, or it's because he's from Florida, or it's because he's Muslim, that he did what he did.

Red is deaths by mass shooting in the US by non-Muslims. Blue is Muslim.

http://econbrowser.com/archives/2015/12 ... non-muslim

Washington Post on the nightclub shootings:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... -gay-club/
Washington Post on mass shootings in the US:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... n-america/

But what's the population of Muslims vs. non-Muslims in the USA?

I'm really sick of this political correctness that is now literally contributing to the mass murder of minorities.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orland ... er-n590496

Orlando Nightclub Shooter Called 911 to Pledge Allegiance to ISIS: Sources

How can you, in all seriousness, not say this is linked to Islam? What would he have to do in your mind for it to be linked to Islam.

You PM-ed me about why I'm so anti-Islamic, and it's because there's this absolute willful ignorance of logic when it comes to Islam simply to defend the religion. If a white Christian called and said "I pledge allegiance to [Christian terror group]" and then attacked a group of people condemned in the Bible, literally everyone would say "well, it looks like Christianity has a problem". That's what sparked the enlightenment. People saying "hey, maybe the Catholics have an issue when they go after Galileo like this for his science." The man simply questioned the word of the church about his science and he was punished for it. Today, we're getting that way with people who question the teachings of Islam and link them to the actions of Muslims.

People are sacrificing centuries of logic and criticism of religion in the name of political correctness. We're regressing to the dark ages by not questioning religion, and the few who speak up are increasingly silenced through more and more stupid verbal attacks. Islam is an ideology. Ideologies are often wrong and they must, above all, be criticized for any failings. By treating it like race, you're going down a dangerous road that will lead to more violence. Races don't have failings, beliefs do.

General Mackevili wrote:Bomb? 20 innocent people dead? Islam?

I feel like I've read this before, which is strange because these words are rarely found in the same sentence.... hmmmmm

Lol. What makes you think he was a terrorist Capatain? Well, he was brown, Muslim and was named Omara wasn't he?

ot mien kampf wrote:

Username Taken wrote:Does being Islamic automatically make him a terrorist?

He may well be just your average suburban nutter.

Funny, I could have sworn that Islam says very homophobic things. Are you saying that the homophobia of Islam didn't inspire an attack on a gay club?

Narrated by Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.
— Sunan Abu Dawood, 38:4447 see also Sunan Abu Dawood, 38:4448 Sunan Abu Dawood, 31:4007 Sunan Abu Dawood, 31:4008 Sunan Abu Dawood, 11:2169 Sunan Abu Dawood, 32:4087 Sunan Abu Dawood, 32:4088

Narrated by Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet cursed effeminate men; those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, "Turn them out of your houses." The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such woman.
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:72:774 see also Sahih al-Bukhari, 8:82:820

http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the ... sexuality/

I suggest you hold on a bit until we have more data. I think why your seeing the opposite view to yours are things like Timothy McVeigh and possibly even 9/11. Both attacks initially attributed to Muslims/ terrorists. We know about TM, right-wing nutter. 9/11? there is still debate in quite a few peoples minds.

mammothboy2 wrote:http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/ca ... ub-gunman/

It is obvious that this young Afghan-American
sacrificed himself (and 50-plus more) to
ensure that TRUMP wins the Presidency.

That article is a bit of a wheeze. Muslims have less background checks after these things happen than Christians do? ! Lol.
I notice the author entirely forgets that if it was a right-wing Christian (anti-gay, anti-abortion etc) that the whole of the Christian community in America and world wide would not be blamed in the same way ( well, in America and other Christian countries and communities at least).

EDIT added in the same way

ot mien kampf wrote:In April a MUSLIM cleric spoke in Orlando...

The United West investigative team uncovered a story so disturbing Field Sutton of Channel 9 news in Orlando, FL broke the story on their newscast.

The Husseini Islamic Center, 5211 Hester Ave, Sanford, FL 32773, invited Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar to speak at their Mosque. Dr. Sekaleshfar says the killing of homosexuals is the compassionate thing to do.

In a 2013 speech Sheikh Sekaleshfar said this regarding gays, “Death is the sentence. We know there’s nothing to be embarrassed about this, death is the sentence...We have to have that compassion for people, with homosexuals, it's the same, out of compassion, let’s get rid of them now.”

No link at all... no.,.

Here's a link I found in about 3 seconds for you
Controversial Ariz. Pastor Sparks Anger by Saying 'Gays Should Be Executed'


Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/bible ... 1uLIGdB.99
http://www.christianpost.com/news/bible ... tor-99583/

A bit of perspective is required until we get more verifiable facts. After all, its not as if HE saud it, so we know it's bullshit immediately.

EDIT Opps missed that bit of yourpost

by ot mien kampf » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:01 pm
I pointed out that if he's Muslim, this is totally in line with his beliefs. Just as if he was an extremist Christian.

I think what we need is less extremist religious nutters all round. Don't you agree?

This is really crazy. I guess people of America were still shocked with the death of the former The Voice contestant who was shot dead at her concert one day before this mass-shooting.

I really don't care whether he is black, white or yellow, Muslim, Christian or Atheist, shooting innocent people dead is really wrong.

I still want to visit America one day in the future, however it is really crazy.