TOG wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:38 pm

YORKIE wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:56 pm . One guy ( You Tube Vid Gone Viral ) regrets now voting leave as he has just bought a Villa in Spain and has no longer has a right to stay. Sort all this out TOG

Yorkie, you never cease to amaze me with what you believe. That is absolute rubbish.This is Project Scare at it's best.

Any UK citizen can buy property and live in it in Spain. Right up to the UK leaving, Spain has stated it will keep the status quo just as the UK has stated we will. In fact it wants to attract as many UK citizens as it can onto the padron so that the local town halls can get even more benefits from the EU coffers. The right to buy property in Spain is not restricted to EU citizens. Anyone who can pay the purchase price is able to purchase property in Spain. After Brexit this will not change. Many people from all corners of the world buy and own property across Spain.

Government statements are intentions, not laws. The end of March approaches soon, and still there's no law in place to cover these people. I would be worried too. If my Cambodian visa expired at the end of may, and there was just the intention the government of the KOW would let me stay, but no law in place yet, I would be packing my bags and prepare to take my losses.

TOG wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:38 pm No one knows what arrangements will take place after we leave re living in Spain but the various Costa's are dependant on UK people living and visiting so do not expect any change in the situation. We have an apartment in Costa Del Sol and the local town hall (Mijas Costa) have been informing everyone here that there will be no change in their status and that they will be allowed to continue as normal after Brexit.

You really should stop listening to all of these false stories and look at the facts.

And that's exactly the problem. No one knows what will happen. Again, all intentions, no laws. Intentions do not protect people, laws do.

TOG wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:56 pm And please don't forget that it costs the UK over £80 billion a year just for the privilege of trading with and being in the EU.

80 billion pounds a year? That's steep man, for a country with 66.8 million people. That's over 1.200 pounds per person on average. I would run too in that case.

But I think you've got to do some fact checking.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-memb ... 5-million/

It's 'slightly' less in reality.

C'mon guys lighten up, it's Friday

This one posted in 2016 always makes me giggle,

Eu in theory is the purest sense of capitalism albeit the integration of the different eco systems inherently present challenges... Unfortunately or fortunately silos develop which limit the holistic perspective. In any event, im neither eco smart enough or politically savy enough to tackle the problem, ill leave it to those who are. Ill stick with wat i do best, beeeerrrrrr....

TOG wrote: ↑Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:17 am ....Anyone who thinks the EU is a democracy working for the people needs their head examining. it's all about social experiments and lining the pockets of politicians and bureaucrats.

Part of that is due to DeGaulle making sure that the European Commission -- not parliament -- got inordinate power and France along with it, when the whole thing was started..

The problem is that Jacob-Rees Mogg and his hardline Brexiteers friends, are thinking that Britannia still rules the waves, butt they don't see the hard reality: The waves rules Britannia.

Kammekor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:20 am And that's exactly the problem. No one knows what will happen. Again, all intentions, no laws. Intentions do not protect people, laws do.

Wow, I never knew that come Brexit the UK will have no laws and no protection for people.
Why haven't we been told of this?

You do realise that it has already been stated that on Brexit all of the existing EU laws will remain in place or did you conveniently forget this?

Kammekor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:29 am It's 'slightly' less in reality.

My facts are right, I just do not skewer the statistics. We run a massive trade deficit with the EU which when added to the cost of belonging adds up to around £80 billion. The main reason we have such a large trade deficit is because of quotas placed on non EU countries exporting to the UK. We are forced to buy from EU countries.

TOG wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:38 pm

Kammekor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:20 am And that's exactly the problem. No one knows what will happen. Again, all intentions, no laws. Intentions do not protect people, laws do.

Wow, I never knew that come Brexit the UK will have no laws and no protection for people.
Why haven't we been told of this?

You do realise that it has already been stated that on Brexit all of the existing EU laws will remain in place or did you conveniently forget this?

Huh? We were talking about EU laws applicable to Brits owning property in in Spain. Now you change to UK laws. Bit strange.

For EU citizens, yes, laws will be like before. But with a (hard) Brexit the EU laws no longer apply to the Brits. Getting back control. Remember?
If the Brits will keep the EU laws in place, why Brexit?

Kammekor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:29 am It's 'slightly' less in reality.

TOG wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:38 pm My facts are right, I just do not skewer the statistics. We run a massive trade deficit with the EU which when added to the cost of belonging adds up to around £80 billion. The main reason we have such a large trade deficit is because of quotas placed on non EU countries exporting to the UK. We are forced to buy from EU countries.

Well, I guess you are sure that trade deficit will evaporate after the Brexit. I am not so sure.
To consider a trade deficit a 'cost' is uncommon, because in return of that deficit goods and services that apparently are needed are received, and part of those are needed for production, hence to generate income.
And about being forced to buy from EU countries, you talk b*llshit. I run a company inside the EU and I can buy my stuff where I want. Worldwide. Some stuff is being taxed, that's true, but if the stuff has the right price and quality that's no problem.

Kammekor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:12 pm For EU citizens, yes. But with a (hard) Brexit the EU laws no longer apply to the Brits. Getting back control. Remember?
If the Brits will keep the EU laws in place, why Brexit?

Again, a complete misunderstanding of the situation by a remainer. All existing EU laws which also govern dealings with non EU countries will remain in place. That has already been decided. What does change is that after this we do not have to blindly follow new EU laws if they affect our high UK standards. We can adopt what is best for the UK and not for Brussels.

Kammekor wrote: ↑Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:12 pm Well, I guess you are sure that trade deficit will evaporate after the Brexit. I am not so sure.
To consider a trade deficit a 'cost' is uncommon, because in return of that deficit goods and services that apparently are needed are received, and part of those are needed for production, hence to generate income.
And about being forced to buy from EU countries, you talk b*llshit. I run a company inside the EU and I can buy my stuff where I want. Worldwide. Some stuff is being taxed, that's true, but if the stuff has the right price and quality that's no problem.

Of course a trade deficit is a cost. It is a financial loss, money has to be borrowed to fund the loss which also means that interest is charged which creates an even bigger cost to the UK. For a few months after Brexit, UK trade may drop slightly but after that we can purchase at better rates from other countries. Or of course from the EU if it sees sense and realises that we are a market of around 70 million people.

So I talk bullshit, quotas do not apply? You may want to withdraw that comment before I link the EU regulations regarding quotas and tariffs. If a company wants to buy "X" amount of "Y" goods from New Zealand at preferential tariff rates, once that quota has been exceeded, they must pay a much higher tariff which is designed to make the EU equivalent product cheaper thus forcing the customer to buy from the EU.

Sorry in a rush reading at brew time at work. Gave kammekor a +1 by mistake. Nothing against the person but dont agree with the post.
Can mods sort please.