Vote GOP or America will end up with Pol Pot running the country

Yobbo · Post by **Yobbo** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:32 pm

I felt the beating heart as I watched a speeding Lexus drive by a poor girl giving part of so little of what she had to a beggar.
A voice can become a doctrine.

John Bingham · Post by **John Bingham** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:41 pm

clutchcargo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:19 pm
But when the Vietnamese Communists began using the port of Sihanoukville and Cambodia’s eastern border to ship military supplies on what was known as the Ho Chi Minh Trail, he took steps to repair relations with the United States. He turned a blind eye when the Nixon administration undertook a secret bombing campaign in 1969 against the border area of Cambodia.
Just on this point, I presume the Vietnamese didn't seek approval to use Cambodia's sovereign territory for shipping military supplies before the US bombing began? Were the Cambodians aware of the extent of what was going on? If so, what was the reaction from the Cambodian military and political authorities? Wouldn't they have seen it as a violation of border security or were they powerless to enforce it coz they were seeking neutrality?

Is this what led to Nixon bombing Cambodian territory with a view that 'if the Cambodians can't enforce their border security, we'll do it for them'?

There is no doubt that Sihanouk gave approval for the shipping of supplies through Sihanoukville port. The Cambodian army took a certain percentage of the supplies under this deal. It was even called the Sihanouk trail.

Post by **Clutch Cargo** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:58 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:41 pm
clutchcargo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:19 pm
But when the Vietnamese Communists began using the port of Sihanoukville and Cambodia’s eastern border to ship military supplies on what was known as the Ho Chi Minh Trail, he took steps to repair relations with the United States. He turned a blind eye when the Nixon administration undertook a secret bombing campaign in 1969 against the border area of Cambodia.
Just on this point, I presume the Vietnamese didn't seek approval to use Cambodia's sovereign territory for shipping military supplies before the US bombing began? Were the Cambodians aware of the extent of what was going on? If so, what was the reaction from the Cambodian military and political authorities? Wouldn't they have seen it as a violation of border security or were they powerless to enforce it coz they were seeking neutrality?

Is this what led to Nixon bombing Cambodian territory with a view that 'if the Cambodians can't enforce their border security, we'll do it for them'?
There is no doubt that Sihanouk gave approval for the shipping of supplies through Sihanoukville port. The Cambodian army took a certain percentage of the supplies under this deal. It was even called the Sihanouk trail.

Thanks JB. I found this on wikipedia re Sihanouk trail:

Sihanouk came to believe that communist triumph in Southeast Asia was inevitable and that Cambodia's military was incapable of defeating the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam), even with U.S. support. If Cambodia (and his rule) was to survive, he would have to make a bargain with the devil. On 10 April 1965 he broke off diplomatic relations with the U.S. and swung politically to the left.[4] This move was not without reason.[5] To gain foreign support, both economic and political, Sihanouk turned to the People's Republic of China. One of the terms of the agreement between Sihanouk and Premier Zhou Enlai was that Cambodia would allow the use of its eastern border by the North Vietnamese in their effort to reunify the two Vietnams.[6]

Following on the agreement between Sihanouk and the Chinese, an arrangement was also struck between the prince and the North Vietnamese government. In October military supplies were sailed directly from North Vietnam on communist-flagged (especially of the Eastern bloc) ships to the Cambodian port of Sihanoukville, where that nation's neutrality guaranteed their delivery.

Bern · Post by **Bern** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:39 pm

Isaanbarang wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:29 pm Kissinger is a war criminal, Nixon too but Kissinger still walks amongst us. There are laws and the bombing of Cambodia and Laos without the consent of the American people was a crime.

newkidontheblock · Post by **newkidontheblock** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:27 pm

So to recap, Cambodia already made a deal with communist China and North Vietnam to ship weapons to Sihanoukville and transport them to Vietnam.

In violation of neutrality.

Instead of just publicly announcing that Cambodia was supporting North Vietnam and mainland China and actively fighting the US, Cambodia kept insisting that it was always neutral.

Knowing that the US would have to respond.

Letting many Cambodians die in the resulting bombing.

And then acting all suprised and innocent.

Besides Nixon and Kissinger must always be war criminals and US is always bad, what part have I missed?

k*rm*geddon · Post by **k*rm*geddon** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:07 pm

John Bingham wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:43 am ...
Ocasio-Cortez advocates a progressive platform that includes Medicare for all, a federal jobs guarantee, a proposed Green New Deal, abolishing the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, free public college and trade school, and a 70% marginal tax rate for incomes above $10 million.
Compare this with:

Pol Pot advocates a progressive platform that includes jungle medicine for all, a guarantee of a 16 hour a day job in a work camp, a proposed 5 year program, abolishing any free movement or communication with foreign nations, free self-criticism and propaganda sessions, and absolutely no right to any form of property, not even a spoon.
...

JB ... the poster on here who I have the most respect for and whose posts I follow with close interest... you have just gone and proven my point.

Now of course the above is not what Pol Pot promised.
He promised roses every day, and la-la-la.
Do you seriously think he would have had more than a handful of followers if they had known the reality of what was to come ???

Anthony's Weiner · Post by **Anthony's Weiner** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:10 pm

newkidontheblock wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:27 pm So to recap, Cambodia already made a deal with communist China and North Vietnam to ship weapons to Sihanoukville and transport them to Vietnam.

In violation of neutrality.

Instead of just publicly announcing that Cambodia was supporting North Vietnam and mainland China and actively fighting the US, Cambodia kept insisting that it was always neutral.

Knowing that the US would have to respond.

Letting many Cambodians die in the resulting bombing.

And then acting all suprised and innocent.

Besides Nixon and Kissinger must always be war criminals and US is always bad, what part have I missed?

Because America is a nation built on democracy and law. A President must notify Congress in order to wage war. It is the law. China and Cambodia can do as they wish, they are not subject to Americas laws. America is not a dictatorship, we have checks and balances. Your hatred for your own people the Vietnamese is amazing. Your ignorance of the country that gave your family shelter is shocking. Your ethnic slurs are shameful. You seem to feel anything you or your family benefitted from is good and anything anyone else benefits from costs you and your family too much of your hard-earned money.

Educate yourself

https://www.globalresearch.ca/crimes-ag ... ee/5358322
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017 ... ar-crimes/

https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/ ... 29464.html

k*rm*geddon · Post by **k*rm*geddon** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:14 pm

frank lee bent wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:37 am Reds under the bed.

Russians under the bed
Russians under the bed.

You just wait till the Mueller report comes out, and you'll see that it's true.

k*rm*geddon · Post by **k*rm*geddon** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:28 pm

SternAAlbifrons wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:44 am Karma wrote
".. any dumb-arse Khmer peasant who actually swallowed the pre-1975 Khmer Rouge bullshit.."

Karma, the reason it was so easy for the "dumb-arse peasants" to swallow the bullshit was that every right minded person in the country became appalled, terrified and pissed off with the illegal and unconscionable US campaign of carpet bombing innocent villages.

The KR could not have grown from a few thousand in '69 to complete victory in '75 without R Nixon and H Kissinger.

( IMO only
.. and the general consensus of history)

That's a very Black and White interpretation.
JB will be onto you.

No, the KR would have remained as next to nothing at all had not North Vietnamese communist troops swept through Cambodia in 1970 (years before the bombing to which you refer) seizing vast tracts of Cambodia and handing the peasants within to their Khmer Rouge allies.
Then Sihanouk made the fatal decision to align with those very forces he had spent years warning his people against --North Vietnam, the Khmer Rouge, and China. His exhortations for a peasant uprising
against an alleged American Imperialism were broadcast to the peasantry over Radio Beijing which came in loud and clear whereas radio signals from Phnom Penh were scratchy.
Indoctrination and Fake News played key roles.

k*rm*geddon · Post by **k*rm*geddon** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:35 pm

Yobbo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:37 am It was the corrupt elite that gave rise to the KR!

'It was the corrupt elite which gave rise to the Viet Cong!!!'
Today, under its communist government of liberators, Vietnam ranks as one of the most corrupt nations on earth.
So we can conclude that millions of Vietnamese had to be killed in order to preserve corruption.

As to those in current government in Cambodia who liberated the Khmer people from the corrupt elite of whom you speak, ....

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