USA - $1.21 an hour for 122 hour week!

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Some brave companies in the UK are now adopting the criterion of the "living wage" in recognition that the minimum wage isn't high enough to reflect the actual cost of living. Well done Hearts Football Club on that one.
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indigo_design wrote: First:-
Sihanoukville Bus Station to Serendipity Pier

3.3 miles or 5.4 kms - tuk-tuk costs around $10 (6.25 GBP) for 3 passengers plus luggage
People still really pay that!?

$4-5 ride at most.
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OrangeDragon wrote:You still can't get the concept that increasing someone's quality of life in general isn't exploiting them. especially if it's something they agreed to.
Wrong, but there is no point arguing with you. I will say though, that it's wrong to automatically assume that working up to 122 hours a week in America, is a better quality of life than back home with their family. I thought a person like you, who can't live with their wife, but is getting paid well in the first world, would understand that.

The EU is a political and legal framework. Not a place where 500 million people of different languages and cultures act the same. Texans are different than New Yorkers, despite having the same language.
OrangeDragon wrote:man... the irony in you posting the rain dog quote is brilliant. you're truly clueless or intentionally antagonistic, even when you know you're wrong. shouldn't you be watching a Jersey Shore "documentary" or something?
Serious question - Do you not realise you have a problem in admitting when you are wrong? Have you not noticed several people comment on it?

Remember in a previous argument, rather than admit you were wrong, you said a live interviewed admission of guilt was edited to distort it? :ROFL2:
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Cowshed Cowboy wrote:Some brave companies in the UK are now adopting the criterion of the "living wage" in recognition that the minimum wage isn't high enough to reflect the actual cost of living. Well done Hearts Football Club on that one.
I was disgusted that Buckingham Palace refused shop workers at Windsor Castle, the living wage.

Campaigners have urged a farm shop on the Queen's Windsor Castle estate to introduce the living wage for staff.
The shop advertised jobs at £6.55 an hour - more than the legal minimum wage but below the voluntary living wage.
The Living Wage Foundation, which promotes the concept, said employers should go "above and beyond" the minimum wage.
Buckingham Palace said pay "matches the market median" and staff had a 15% non-contributory pension and a daily lunch.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-29815873
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UKJ wrote:
OrangeDragon wrote:You still can't get the concept that increasing someone's quality of life in general isn't exploiting them. especially if it's something they agreed to.
Wrong, but there is no point arguing with you. I will say though, that it's wrong to automatically assume that working up to 122 hours a week in America, is a better quality of life than back home with their family. I thought a person like you, who can't live with their wife, but is getting paid well in the first world, would understand that.

The EU is a political and legal framework. Not a place where 500 million people of different languages and cultures act the same. Texans are different than New Yorkers, despite having the same language.
OrangeDragon wrote:man... the irony in you posting the rain dog quote is brilliant. you're truly clueless or intentionally antagonistic, even when you know you're wrong. shouldn't you be watching a Jersey Shore "documentary" or something?
Serious question - Do you not realise you have a problem in admitting when you are wrong? Have you not noticed several people comment on it?

Remember in a previous argument, rather than admit you were wrong, you said a live interviewed admission of guilt was edited to distort it? :ROFL2:
I'll just chalk it up to your age/generation/etc as to why you keep insisting that reality TV is actually reality. Our future is doomed because of the mentality that Jersey Shore is nonfiction.

Like how you keep deflecting the fact that you were wrong about the courts having decided they were actually in violation of any laws. A lot of people's opinion are that they were, and it's altogether likely (though in many cases the employer can legally include housing/bonuses/etc as I have shown... so perhaps not) that they were, however you were jumping to conclusions and reading into things to make assumptions... as you tend to do.

Regarding the quality of life... perhaps not during those 122 hour work weeks... but their quality of life as a whole using those weeks as a means to an end. And the 122 number, considering no one kept documentation of the hours (one of the things the company was reprimanded for), could be a complete sham.

Even if it weren't, it looks like that was for 1 single week for only a couple of the employees... not the whole lot, and not the whole time. If they were on salary and working 10 hours in a different week but still getting paid the same, it's an average we're not seeing because the single media report that's just repeated everywhere is all the same outrage biased piece instead of an objective disclosure of the information. We have exceptionally limited information on the subject... including how much the "project bonus" was. What if that bonus was $5,000 each for those 3 months... still exploitation? We don't know... because none of that is coming through.

What we do know is they settled out of court with the department of labor and the employees for a fairly small sum... not something a clear cut case of exploitation is generally allowed to do. Usually if the state thinks they can legitimately have a case to milk someone they certainly go for more than $3500 in fines from them.

You keep assuming I have some "America is #1!!!!!" mentality... I absolutely don't. There is loads to criticize the country for... you just keep picking the wrong things. I just think that pretty much anyone in India trying to support their family on a few hundred dollars a month will find their quality of life improved from that PLUS zero cost of living for 3 months PLUS a bonus PLUS having experience in a western country on their resume. Of course these workers now won't... because you can be sure that company has let them all go by this point.
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OrangeDragon wrote:I'll just chalk it up to your age/generation/etc as to why you keep insisting that reality TV is actually reality. Our future is doomed because of the mentality that Jersey Shore is nonfiction.
Why do you have to try to belittle people with nonsense? I had to google Jersey Shore as I had never heard of it, and I don't think it's been shown in the UK.
Jersey Shore is an American reality television series which ran on MTV from December 3, 2009 to December 20, 2012 in the United States.

The reality TV I mentioned, was a live BBC programme called " Newsnight" , where the head teacher admitted the " offence" , yet you banged on for ages in denial. Just like you have done on this thread. The interviewer had won....

In 1996 Paxman received BAFTA's Richard Dimbleby Award for "outstanding presenter in the factual arena."
And
Two years later he won the Royal Television Society's Interviewer of the Year Award for his Newsnight interview (see above) with Michael Howard, as well as the Broadcasting Press Guild's award for best "non-acting" performer. He gained another Richard Dimbleby Award in 2000 and was nominated for the award in 2001 and 2002. He won the Royal Television Society TV journalism presenter of the year award in 2002 and 2007.
Paxman was given an honorary doctorate by the University of Leeds in the summer of 1999 and in December that year received an honorary degree from the University of Bradford.[43] In 2006 he received an honorary doctorate from the Open University. Among those at the ceremony were three members of the Open University's 1999 University Challenge team. Paxman is a Fellow by special election of St Edmund Hall, Oxford, and an Honorary Fellow of his alma mater, St. Catharine's College, Cambridge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Pax ... nd_honours

But no, a live confession to such an esteemed broadcaster wasn't enough to prove Orange Dragon wrong! :facepalm: He would rather belittle forum members with make up stuff about Jersey Shore! You just keep blundering about, throwing egg in your own face. It's astonishing how someone so constantly wrong, can't admit it.
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what the hell are you on about? I thought you were talking about the whole COPS thing. i have no idea which off topic you're referencing here.

But good job deflecting again.
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