is it true that the pilot selfie?

It makes 271 look almost drivable...

The pilot seemed to have it in level flight and ok for a ditch. I wonder why he tried to bank to port at the last minute? It may show inexperience in the flight crew or major mechanical malfunction. Your at stall speed and you bank at low altitude, it will never come out good doing that. Aircraft maintenance done in cut-rate Chinese aircraft facilities may also be a root cause, but time will tell, if its not all covered up like the Airasia/Indonesia-air-traffic-controller crash.

I looked at other videos and it looks like the pilot was trying to line up with the river, but was at stall speed, over compensated, lost lift in the port wing in the turn and augered in.

Sailorman wrote: Aircraft maintenance done in cut-rate Chinese aircraft facilities may also be a root cause, but time will tell, if its not all covered up like the Airasia/Indonesia-air-traffic-controller crash.

What is the basis for your remarks above?

I've not read anything about a "cut-rate" aka cheap aka to save money "Chinese aircraft facilities". The Chinese are very diligent workers from my experiences despite low wages. This plane was also new, not some old Russian aircraft.

Additionally, there is no suspicion about the AirAsia tragedy being related to air traffic controller error. There were other aircraft in the sky and were nearby. The plane could not of course be cleared to crash into another plane above it or in sames path. The most recent black box details indicate something catastrophic, not a stall as a result of the rapid climb. Various aviation experts also say the instruments would have indicated the storms ahead allowing the pilot to avoid same. If there is any "cover up" it would be on the pressure pilots are under to keep expenses down(fuel consumption)

On the topic of fuel surcharges, I just looked at Delta from BKK to the USA and they still show a fuel surcharge.

My brother, who now works for a major US airlines, went to a very respected school to get his certificate to work on airframe/powerplant, etc. He said that the Chinese government sent a load of people to study at the school. His opinion was that most were dumb as a box of rocks, most dropped out and those that finished were in the bottom of the class. Also (from the instructors at the school), the word is that China has set up aircraft maintenance facilities in various places in China to undercut other world wide aircraft maintenance facilities doing the same work.

On the Airasia crash . Its a fact that the pilot asked for clearance to go around severe turbulence and was denied by the Indonesian air traffic controller who was setting hundreds of miles away in an air-conditioned office. Its a fact that an Airbus taking off from NY City hit turbulence, the pilot made drastic side to side corrections and the vertical stabilizer tore off. (National Transportation Safety Board, Safety Recommendation A-04-058)(Airworthiness Directive FAA-2011-0518) Connect the dots.

Sailorman wrote:My brother, who now works for a major US airlines, went to a very respected school to get his certificate to work on airframe/powerplant, etc. He said that the Chinese government sent a load of people to study at the school. His opinion was that most were dumb as a box of rocks, most dropped out and those that finished were in the bottom of the class. Also (from the instructors at the school), the word is that China has set up aircraft maintenance facilities in various places in China to undercut other world wide aircraft maintenance facilities doing the same work.

On the Airasia crash . Its a fact that the pilot asked for clearance to go around severe turbulence and was denied by the Indonesian air traffic controller who was setting hundreds of miles away in an air-conditioned office. Its a fact that an Airbus taking off from NY City hit turbulence, the pilot made drastic side to side corrections and the vertical stabilizer tore off. (National Transportation Safety Board, Safety Recommendation A-04-058)(Airworthiness Directive FAA-2011-0518) Connect the dots.

Naturally the Chinese are going to enter the market with lower priced offerings, goods and services. I think you are taking your brother's frustration and blaming it on the Chinese. To qualify and be selected for a Chinese government sponsorship to a US technical school is one would assume correctly, no easy task. I also refer you to the recent Apple profit report and the indication they have margin on phones of something like 39percent. Most of the work is done in China. However, I'm giving you my personal experience with a number of educated Chinese workers here in Thailand and they are stellar, hard working, dependable, everything the USA was built upon work wise. Careful what happens next. I've seen an equal representation of Europeans and Americans and there is no comparison. Chinese get my vote.

Regarding the controller "sitting hundreds of miles away", of course he/she was. That's how that system works. You know that. They aren't sending up weather balloons and making routing decisions on site from the middle of the ocean/sea. It's all computers. One Airbus incident doesn't represent anything. While I assume Boeing aircraft are safer, I really don't know. Boeing aircraft seem to have a longer life span and are kept in fleets longer(I think). However, since we are talking about the wealthy people of the world who travel via air safeguards are in place with both companies.

My brother's frustration? What frustration? I'm just stating his observations and school records would more than likely back up everything. How can you make such a rash (Bul*shit) remark(s) with no experience and background at the school? He actually stated that he tried to help/tutor the Chinese in his class, so much for your racist remarks.

After buying and using all the trash/crap that China floods the markets with here in Cambodia and America (Walmart), I find their work in other fields suspect, especially when my life is involved. In my youth I worked for the Boeing Company in Seattle for a couple years and went through their schools. I worked on the 727, 737, 747 and even one time did tubing repair on a Douglus DC8 that was stuck at the airport in Seattle. . I believe with that experience that Boeing makes a superior product to Airbus, but that's just my opinion. At least their tails don't fall off when the pilot inputs sharp maneuvers.

BTW/ There is a famous picture of the first Boeing 707 upside-down doing a slow roll over the unlimited hydroplane races in Seattle. I was a about 7 or 8 years old and my father was a pilot for Pan American Airways flying DC-7s at the time. He was watching the races and I can remember his comment on the 707 slow roll "He can't do that, He can't do that!" Try that with an Airbus!

And BTW/ The Indonesian Air traffic controller second-guessed the pilot actually flying the airplane and people died.

Sailorman wrote:My brother's frustration? What frustration? I'm just stating his observations and school records would more than likely back up everything. How can you make such a rash (Bul*shit) remark(s) with no experience and background at the school? He actually stated that he tried to help/tutor the Chinese in his class, so much for your racist remarks.

After buying and using all the trash/crap that China floods the markets with here in Cambodia and America (Walmart), I find their work in other fields suspect, especially when my life is involved. In my youth I worked for the Boeing Company in Seattle for a couple years and went through their schools. I worked on the 727, 737, 747 and even one time did tubing repair on a Douglus DC8 that was stuck at the airport in Seattle. . I believe with that experience that Boeing makes a superior product to Airbus, but that's just my opinion. At least their tails don't fall off when the pilot inputs sharp maneuvers.

BTW/ There is a famous picture of the first Boeing 707 upside-down doing a slow roll over the unlimited hydroplane races in Seattle. I was a about 7 or 8 years old and my father was a pilot for Pan American Airways flying DC-7s at the time. He was watching the races and I can remember his comment on the 707 slow roll "He can't do that, He can't do that!" Try that with an Airbus!

And BTW/ The Indonesian Air traffic controller second-guessed the pilot actually flying the airplane and people died.

The fact the Chinese students were admitted to the trade school without proper qualifications i.e. English skills and others, tells us the reading public said trade school was in it for the money. There was nothing racist in my remarks. The frustration is felt by many blue collar American workers as the Chinese continue to under cut them wage/cost wise. Take a look at the factory closings and the rest.

The Boeing 737 has a history of rudder problems. Do your homework mate.

Buyers make their buying decisions. Quality control is Walmart's responsibility. As for what's "flooding" into Cambodia, I'm sure it's driven by price.

The controller didn't second guess the pilot. The airspace wasn't available, that's his/her job. Making other plans i.e. turning this way or that way or turning around was the pilot's responsibility. As I mentioned, the planes, even Air Bus jets, are equipped with avionics which tell them about trouble ahead and the pilot has to react in a professional manner.

Do my homework on the 737? I worked on the 737, did you? (and the 727, and the 747) I can't seem to find anything that shows 737 tails falling off during takeoff/landing like the Airbus in NY city did. I do remember an Aloha Airlines 737 landing with half a fuselage though. (Fl. 243 April 28, 1988) The 737 had 90,000 flight cycles and poor maintenance. The FAA now directs that aircraft with 34,000 flight cycles be withdrawn from service. The 737 is one tough airplane, maybe that's why it is the all-time best selling aircraft ever built.

" Indonesia air-traffic control I need to climb to avoid severe turbulence"
" Denied, just fly though it."

(The first reports after they found the wreckage was that the Airbus's tail was not near the rest of the wreckage. Connect the dots. )