emm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:32 pm
But that would be too simple. Here is what 79 % of Americans actually think:
79% of Americans think the US is falling apart. That’s no surprise when one half of the country wants to crush the other
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/512667-us-demo ... ans-trump/

I’m not saying there’s nothing of value in there but by and large it’s best to ignore anything RT have to say about pretty much anything, even if it does match up with your preconceptions. Especially if it matches up with your preconceptions.

OK, RT is not trustworthy but "The Hill" should be. It's american after all.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1cKT7G

The "Covfefe" mysterious mystery.

Still no clue.

nerdlinger wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:15 pm

Big Daikon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:27 am Nah, Trump will be remembered for awhile. He has become a Satan for some. Crazy thing is he didn't accomplish that much in four years.

That’s what really perplexes me about the fanaticism of his supporters - he hasn’t even been successful on his own terms. If your definition of a successful President is one that abolished Obamacare, built a wall across the whole Mexican border, brought back a flourishing coal industry, deported all illegal immigrants, and ended birthright citizenship, he’s still a total failure - and that’s with the benefit of two years of a Republican majority in both houses.

But he hasn’t even accomplished those horrible crimes against humanity. He says he has, he hasn’t.
The affordable care act still exists, if in diminished form. Anyone who argues against universal healthcare should have their reproductive rights taken away. If you’re American and you’re against this, just remember that you pay more than anyone else on the planet for healthcare, and yet you’re not in the top ten for quality, or life expectancy.
The border wall, we didn’t need it, strangely enough Mexico didn’t pay for it, and it amounted to “his administration has built just 47 miles of new wall along the border in places where no barrier had existed before”.
Biden has already rolled back some of the coal bullshit, which was a combo of tax breaks for the wealthy and pork barrel, a sure fire way of supporting your base.
There’s still plenty of illegal immigrants, they mostly do jobs Americans are not willing to do, or at wages that would be illegal if they themselves were legal.
I support a refugee from El Salvador, she has been repeatedly raped, all of her family has been murdered. All because of Reagan’s destabilizing policies from decades ago.
Study after study shows new immigrants (illegal or not) are a net positive.
This divisive, and frankly racist shit is what’s tearing America apart.

Big Daikon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:27 am Nah, Trump will be remembered for awhile. He has become a Satan for some. Crazy thing is he didn't accomplish that much in four years.

He may have accomplished a bit more if he had not spent the majority of his tenure defending himself against spurious accusations of Russian collusion etc. or he may have screwed up more, who knows?
But, whether Republican or a Democrat you have to hope that a precedent has not been established whereby subsequent sitting presidents have to suffer the same treatment, in that all it takes is for the opposition party to make a few unfounded accusations to completely derail the president’s work. If this does turn into a Tit for Tat routine it will be the worse for all Americans.

Chad Sexington wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:19 pm He may have accomplished a bit more if he had not spent the majority of his tenure defending himself against spurious accusations of Russian collusion etc. or he may have screwed up more, who knows?
But, whether Republican or a Democrat you have to hope that a precedent has not been established whereby subsequent sitting presidents have to suffer the same treatment, in that all it takes is for the opposition party to make a few unfounded accusations to completely derail the president’s work. If this does turn into a Tit for Tat routine it will be the worse for all Americans.

What complete and utter rot. The sum total of his time he was required to spend defending himself was the few hours it took him to fill in the written questions from the senate because he wouldn't even submit to being questioned in person. Any time over and above he spent defending himself was ranting unnecessarily on Twitter.

If his four years were all occupied with collusion allegations that's entirely down to his own poor time management skills.

(and that's completely ignoring the fact that the accusations were absolutely not spurious at all, even the Senators that voted to acquit him did so citing reasons other than his actual innocence...)

emm wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 6:06 pm OK, RT is not trustworthy but "The Hill" should be. It's american after all.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1cKT7G

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-hill/
Bias: "Least Bias"
Factual Reporting: "Mostly Factual" (4 out of 7)
Summary: "Overall, we rate The Hill Least Biased based on editorial positions that are currently balanced and news reporting that is low biased. We also rate them Mostly Factual in reporting, rather than High, due to previous opinion columns promoting unproven claims."

So yeah, not too bad, could be better, but I can live with it.

(FWIW: rt.com is rated there as "Very Low" on Factual (1 out of 7) and somewhere between "Right-Center" and "Right" on bias. Their summary is: "Overall, we rate RT Questionable based on promoting pro-Russian propaganda, promotion of conspiracy theories, numerous failed fact checks, and a lack of author transparency.")