The Future of Travel

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I feel like a quiet majority are starting to see through the panic. If you take the over 70 demographic out of the statistics, this virus really isn’t much worse than the normal flu, if at all.
If people are willing to travel, someone will provide them with a way to do it. I think there are still many people who are more than willing to take their chances by getting on a plane.
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Alex wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 12:48 pm
hanno wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:33 am @x@xandreu I think the cost of social distancing in planes will be passed on to the punters, but let’s see.
I don't think there will be social distancing on planes, it's ludicrous. I'm aware that it has been introduced in some places, but I think it will be short-lived.

Tests are already becoming cheaper, quicker and more reliable - the ability to effectively screen travelers will be key to opening up both the skies and travel destinations. Screening passengers before the flight will ultimately be cheaper and safer than keeping seats empty.
Those tests have no 100% reliability, with the millions flying every day there will be thousands of false positives and false negatives every day. Passengers will be freaking out, demanding compensation because they’re denied boarding etc etc.

The only way out is a change of mind, the virus is there and will be there, it’s out of its’ cage, and sooner or later we will all get it once and probably several times.
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Ryan754326 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:23 pm I feel like a quiet majority are starting to see through the panic. If you take the over 70 demographic out of the statistics, this virus really isn’t much worse than the normal flu, if at all.
If people are willing to travel, someone will provide them with a way to do it. I think there are still many people who are more than willing to take their chances by getting on a plane.
Saw an interview with a former doctor/ philosophist earlier today and she stated 100 years ago this pandemic wouldn’t have been noticed because there were much less people in the age group most affected by this virus.

By with people gradually living longer and longer pandemics like this pose difficult wthical questions to societies.
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Kammekor wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:28 pm
Ryan754326 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:23 pm I feel like a quiet majority are starting to see through the panic. If you take the over 70 demographic out of the statistics, this virus really isn’t much worse than the normal flu, if at all.
If people are willing to travel, someone will provide them with a way to do it. I think there are still many people who are more than willing to take their chances by getting on a plane.
Saw an interview with a former doctor/ philosophist earlier today and she stated 100 years ago this pandemic wouldn’t have been noticed because there were much less people in the age group most affected by this virus.

By with people gradually living longer and longer pandemics like this pose difficult wthical questions to societies.
One of the reasons but not the only one, me thinks. 100 years ago, there weren’t millions of people crisscrossing the skies every day, there was no social media nor international news networks.
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^ Three possible reasons why the coronavirus has not (yet?) hit Cambodia hard.
1/Small numbers of the old and chronically ill.
2/Small numbers of Cambodians who travel overseas (note that migrant workers have been 'asked' to remain where they are - exception made for Thailand.)
3/ Phnom Penh and other airports in Cambodia are not major transport hubs. There is little through-traffic.
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Ryan754326 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:23 pm I feel like a quiet majority are starting to see through the panic. If you take the over 70 demographic out of the statistics,
"If you take the over 70 demographic out of the statistics"
You can't, Ryan.
But you have to dismiss them as being of little value if you are being completely honest in pursuing this argument.

"see through the panic"
Personally, call me old fashioned, i reckon a 70 yr old life is as worthy as a 20 yr old's.
And thank the Stars, that is exactly why my two home countries (Oz and NZ) will not let people fly right now. To absolutely ensure we will not have our parents and grandparents dropping like flies.

No "panic" - just a cool-headed decision to protect those we love, admire and give full human value to.
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Ryan754326 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:23 pm I feel like a quiet majority are starting to see through the panic. If you take the over 70 demographic out of the statistics, this virus really isn’t much worse than the normal flu, if at all.
If people are willing to travel, someone will provide them with a way to do it. I think there are still many people who are more than willing to take their chances by getting on a plane.
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so, if ur under 60 ur chances are pretty good, even if you get it, you wont die.
i'd say good odds to be opening up and getting back to normal in the next month

I'll stick with my statement.....Great deals on flights August-Dec,,,,
Not sure where you will be flying thou...
In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are fucked until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely. HST
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Kammekor wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:25 pm
Alex wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 12:48 pm
hanno wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:33 am @x@xandreu I think the cost of social distancing in planes will be passed on to the punters, but let’s see.
I don't think there will be social distancing on planes, it's ludicrous. I'm aware that it has been introduced in some places, but I think it will be short-lived.

Tests are already becoming cheaper, quicker and more reliable - the ability to effectively screen travelers will be key to opening up both the skies and travel destinations. Screening passengers before the flight will ultimately be cheaper and safer than keeping seats empty.
Those tests have no 100% reliability, with the millions flying every day there will be thousands of false positives and false negatives every day. Passengers will be freaking out, demanding compensation because they’re denied boarding etc etc.

The only way out is a change of mind, the virus is there and will be there, it’s out of its’ cage, and sooner or later we will all get it once and probably several times.
Aside from the tests accuracy, they do nothing to address the asymtopmatic carriers.
up to you...
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i wonder, if ur asymptomatic wont a test reveal you have it? Even thou ur not showing any symptoms?

I would think so

The only way ur ever, ( well hopefully 99%) sure of not catching it in the future, is after they develop a vaccine and you have the jab
So future flying, will a vaccine certificate be required? The old yellow card
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A swab test would reveal an asymptomatic carrier that is being infectious. When screening travelers, that's what you're interested in - who is infectious at the time.

The question is: How cheap, reliable and quick will these tests get?

My prediction is, they will beat every possible alternative at least until a vaccine will become available. There is no perfect solution, but screening passengers sure beats social distancing attempts on planes in terms of both cost and safety.

Halting international air travel for 1+ more year(s) is NOT an option. Sure, carriers will slip through as tests cannot be perfect, but I think the risk will become manageable.
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