IraHayes wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 9:49 pm From the Moscow Times.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/03/ ... men-a84612

Medvedev, who has emerged as one of Russia’s most vitriolic pro-war hawks following the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, claimed “it’s more important to kill everyone involved” in the Crocus City Hall attack than just the four suspects being held in custody.

“All of them: those who paid, those who sympathized [and] those who helped,” said Medvedev, who serves at the Deputy Chairman of Russia’s Security Council.

“Kill them all,” he said.

This puts everyone these 4 guys know in the crosshairs. Family, friends, anyone they have ever messaged on any service, all of them are going to get a visit and some of them will just disappear.

xandreu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:34 pm

ItWasntMe wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:43 pm

xandreu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:20 pm Very surprised they didn't take their own lives before they were caught. They must have known they would be in for a fate worse than death.

Maybe they were man enough to point their guns at unarmed civilians and massacre them at point blank range, but not quite man enough to turn the rifle around, facing the other way?

Well, consider that -- at least per their own accounts -- they were doing this for money.
Would it make sense to blow your head off before getting paid?

But how did they ever expect to escape? This is what I don't understand about Putin's narrative that they planned to escape to Ukraine. You don't get to put on a wig, some lipstick, some dark glasses, and walk past the entirety of Moscows security services as a concert hall is up in flames behind you with over a hundred dead bodies inside.

ItWasntMe wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 10:57 am

xandreu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:34 pm

ItWasntMe wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:43 pm

xandreu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:20 pm Very surprised they didn't take their own lives before they were caught. They must have known they would be in for a fate worse than death.

Maybe they were man enough to point their guns at unarmed civilians and massacre them at point blank range, but not quite man enough to turn the rifle around, facing the other way?

Well, consider that -- at least per their own accounts -- they were doing this for money.
Would it make sense to blow your head off before getting paid?

But how did they ever expect to escape? This is what I don't understand about Putin's narrative that they planned to escape to Ukraine. You don't get to put on a wig, some lipstick, some dark glasses, and walk past the entirety of Moscows security services as a concert hall is up in flames behind you with over a hundred dead bodies inside.

Yea it doesn't really add up with your typical ISIS behaviour.

But they may have decided for this operation to use proxies, ie find some loonies and get them to do it for a bit of money. Likely using local agents to recruit them and provide them with the logistics needed.

Or maybe ISIS were paid off to take responsibility, I dunno.

xandreu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 11:10 am

To be fair, if you can find 19 people to fly planes into buildings and make them believe that they'll be met with however many virgins in the afterlife, it wouldn't be so hard to convince four people to carry out the atrocities in Moscow and somehow make them believe they'll either be able to walk away scott-free, or be rewarded in the afterlife. I'm assuming that as they didn't kill themselves, they were somehow led to believe that they'd manage to escape.

This the biggest danger of fundamentalist extremists - mind control. Once you have people believing that they are doing the work of Allah, and this is Allah's will, and they will be somehow compensated for their martyrdom, there is absolutely nothing you can do. It's no different to the Japanese Kamikaze pilots of WWII. If you can convince someone that the cause is more important their own life, you have a deadlier weapon than anything Lockheed Martin can come up with.