UK subjects: the NHS is selling your records

Jerry Atrick · Post by **Jerry Atrick** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 7:07 pm

Unless you opt out before August they will sell your info to any and all third party companies

Health and life insurance, travel insurance companies etc, all those stinking vultures will buy your data and use it as leverage to charge you more for or deny you coverage

https://digital.nhs.uk/services/national-data-opt-out

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Opt out here unless you like being hustled

mannanman · Post by **mannanman** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:47 pm

Lol. What, it’s not like they haven’t ever done it before!

Good read for the non thinkers.
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/body/he ... a-opt-out/

nerdlinger · Post by **nerdlinger** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:00 pm

Yeah the whole thing is a total non-story.

All that’s happening is we’re finally getting a proper grownup healthcare data management system like we should have done 40 years ago instead of relying on an assortment of local NHS Trusts to all manage their own IT individually, and as part of it they’re complying with GDPR.

The whole “selling your personal data” thing makes it sound like they’re telling Tesco about your cholesterol levels, it’s nothing of the sort. “any and all” as you put it is factually incorrect. It’s the same healthcare researchers that have always been using this kind of aggregate data to improve medicine since the days of Florence Nightingale. You just didn’t know they were doing it before, because up until recently they didn’t feel the need to ask.

Your example of insurance companies using it to price your policy is completely wrong, no personally identifiable data is for sale. Did you get that example from some other source, or is it something you made up yourself?

TL;DR: don’t opt-out, it won’t help protect your privacy, it’ll just worsen the quality of medical research.

Jerry Atrick · Post by **Jerry Atrick** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:15 pm

nerdlinger wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:00 pm Yeah the whole thing is a total non-story.

All that’s happening is we’re finally getting a proper grownup healthcare data management system like we should have done 40 years ago instead of relying on an assortment of local NHS Trusts to all manage their own IT individually, and as part of it they’re complying with GDPR.

The whole “selling your personal data” thing makes it sound like they’re telling Tesco about your cholesterol levels, it’s nothing of the sort. “any and all” as you put it is factually incorrect. It’s the same healthcare researchers that have always been using this kind of aggregate data to improve medicine since the days of Florence Nightingale. You just didn’t know they were doing it before, because up until recently they didn’t feel the need to ask.

Your example of insurance companies using it to price your policy is completely wrong, no personally identifiable data is for sale. Did you get that example from some other source, or is it something you made up yourself?

TL;DR: don’t opt-out, it won’t help protect your privacy, it’ll just worsen the quality of medical research.

Up to you, as it is me really

I'm opting out, others can choose what they will do

nerdlinger · Post by **nerdlinger** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:33 pm

Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:15 pm Up to you, as it is me really

I'm opting out, others can choose what they will do

At the very minimum I’d say “don’t opt out for reasons that have no basis in reality”, sound fair?

Like by all means opt out if you have other concerns, but it saddens me to see how many clickbait articles out there are scaring people into unnecessarily damaging the quality of medical care by making shit up that isn’t true.

Jerry Atrick · Post by **Jerry Atrick** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:44 pm

nerdlinger wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:33 pm
Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:15 pm Up to you, as it is me really

I'm opting out, others can choose what they will do
At the very minimum I’d say “don’t opt out for reasons that have no basis in reality”, sound fair?

Like by all means opt out if you have other concerns, but it saddens me to see how many clickbait articles out there are scaring people into unnecessarily damaging the quality of medical care by making shit up that isn’t true.

I haven't read any articles, click bait or otherwise

Anyhow, I availed of NHS services during the time I lived and paid taxes within the UK, and I now choose to not have that data passed to third parties

Others can do as they like, as long as they are aware that they have that choice

nerdlinger · Post by **nerdlinger** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:06 pm

Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:44 pm I haven't read any articles, click bait or otherwise

Oh right, so that stuff about insurance companies being allowed to buy personal data really was just entirely invented by you then. In which case I’d say please stop making stuff up.

Jerry Atrick · Post by **Jerry Atrick** » Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:15 pm

nerdlinger wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:06 pm
Jerry Atrick wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:44 pm I haven't read any articles, click bait or otherwise
Oh right, so that stuff about insurance companies being allowed to buy personal data really was just entirely invented by you then. In which case I’d say please stop making stuff up.

Well, your own assertion that it's simply a long needed improvement that never required an opt in or out until now is also just that; your own point of view

Why such blind trust in the NHS?

nerdlinger · Post by **nerdlinger** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:08 am

Ironic that you’re using the word “blind” when it’s clear you haven’t done any reading at all about the project. You’d rather I explained everything to you here than just follow the link mannanman posted earlier?

Jerry Atrick · Post by **Jerry Atrick** » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:24 am

nerdlinger wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:08 am Ironic that you’re using the word “blind” when it’s clear you haven’t done any reading at all about the project. You’d rather I explained everything to you here than just follow the link mannanman posted earlier?

Yes. Cosmopolitan is not a source worth considering

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