Putin's Daughters

hmph · Post by **hmph** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 3:50 pm

SINUS wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 1:58 pm So I haven't read the news for the last 14 years of my life in cambodia.
I've lived in that world, I've been in that cauldron....
my daughter went to jail for writing "PEACE TO PEACE" in a park alley with spray paint.
so I'm not going to argue with a man who's scooping information off the internet, sorry.

In my country, you also get arrested for spray painting. You said she went to jail but failed to mention how long. That's why I think you are a hypocrite and clearly biased.

hmph · Post by **hmph** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 3:56 pm

I will not argue with you, but I lived first in the ussr and then in russia for 53 years.[/b]
So I haven't read the news for the last 14 years of my life in cambodia.
I've lived in that world, I've been in that cauldron....
my daughter went to jail for writing "PEACE TO PEACE" in a park alley with spray paint.
so I'm not going to argue with a man who's scooping information off the internet, sorry.

So you completely disregard the fact that 80% of Russians support the SMO. But you're making the point that your daughter illegally sprayed graffiti and got caught doing it.

If you're daughter had done that in my country, she would have been arrested and charged for destruction of property. But I love how you bring up that example to invalidate my main argument. That clearly shows the intelligence I am dealing with.

Post by **Freightdog** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:00 pm

hmph wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 3:50 pm
In my country, you also get arrested for spray painting. You said she went to jail but failed to mention how long. That's why I think you are a hypocrite and clearly biased.

I will not argue with you, but I lived first in the ussr and then in russia for 53 years.

Not gone unnoticed is you selectively quoting. Thus making you also clearly biased. However, his 53 years of life experience, there, currently trumps your knowledge of anti-graffiti laws.

hmph · Post by **hmph** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:04 pm

Freightdog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:00 pm Not gone unnoticed is you selectively quoting. Thus making you also clearly biased. However, his 53 years of life experience, there, currently trumps your knowledge of anti-graffiti laws.

I don't even know how to respond to this. I used to be a teenager and I used to do graffiti. I never got arrested for doing it. But if I did I would not claim some government conspiracy.

Post by **Freightdog** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:07 pm

hmph wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:04 pm
Freightdog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:00 pm Not gone unnoticed is you selectively quoting. Thus making you also clearly biased. However, his 53 years of life experience, there, currently trumps your knowledge of anti-graffiti laws.
I don't even know how to respond to this. I used to be a teenager and I used to do graffiti. I never got arrested for doing it. But if I did I would not claim some government conspiracy.

Yet, respond, you have.

hmph · Post by **hmph** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:24 pm

Freightdog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:07 pm Yet, respond, you have.

Yes, I responded because it's utterly ridiculous. "My daughter got caught breaking the law". Therefore Russia is a dictatorship.

Like I said, I used to do graffiti, but I would never tell the cops that I had some right to destroy private property because of XYZ.

All I'm doing is pointing out the insanity of that argument and the complete hypocrisy if it had taken place in the West.

I know what I am talking about because I have spent tine in jail.

SINUS · Post by **SINUS** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:34 pm

hmph wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 3:50 pm In my country, you also get arrested for spray painting. You said she went to jail but failed to mention how long. That's why I think you are a hypocrite and clearly biased.

my daughter is not charged with damaging private property, but with writing an anti-war slogan against the war in ukraine.
Now my daughter has been behind bars for over a year and is facing an article "discrediting" the Russian army, which means up to 15 years in prison.
Her children have now been transferred to an orphanage.
I cannot come to russia and help them, the regime does not allow it.
in fact, the situation in russia now is such that any anti-war slogan in any form or criticism of Putin's actions is immediately put behind bars.
But despite the massive war propaganda pouring out of various media outlets, Russian people understand everything perfectly well and see the situation in a realistic light.
No one wants to die for no one knows what, and to kill other strangers for no one knows what.
you can keep your opinion - it's your right, but it's also your delusion.
I've been there and I know.

ItWasntMe · Post by **ItWasntMe** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:50 pm

SINUS wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:34 pm
hmph wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 3:50 pm In my country, you also get arrested for spray painting. You said she went to jail but failed to mention how long. That's why I think you are a hypocrite and clearly biased.
my daughter is not charged with damaging private property, but with writing an anti-war slogan against the war in ukraine.
Now my daughter has been behind bars for over a year and is facing an article "discrediting" the Russian army, which means up to 15 years in prison.
Her children have now been transferred to an orphanage.
I cannot come to russia and help them, the regime does not allow it.
in fact, the situation in russia now is such that any anti-war slogan in any form or criticism of Putin's actions is immediately put behind bars.
But despite the massive war propaganda pouring out of various media outlets, Russian people understand everything perfectly well and see the situation in a realistic light.
No one wants to die for no one knows what, and to kill other strangers for no one knows what.
you can keep your opinion - it's your right, but it's also your delusion.
I've been there and I know.

Thank you for adding some reality to the thread, though I'm sorry to hear about your family's situation.

Made me think of something I heard in the bars the other day..

- what do you think about the war between Russia and Ukraine?
- I feel really sorry for the people that live there.

John Bingham · Post by **John Bingham** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 8:12 pm

hmph wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:04 pm
Freightdog wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:00 pm Not gone unnoticed is you selectively quoting. Thus making you also clearly biased. However, his 53 years of life experience, there, currently trumps your knowledge of anti-graffiti laws.
I don't even know how to respond to this. I used to be a teenager and I used to do graffiti. I never got arrested for doing it. But if I did I would not claim some government conspiracy.

How many people are jailed for years for graffiti in your country? You don't have to answer because we know the answer is close to or zero.

hmph · Post by **hmph** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 8:57 pm

SINUS wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:34 pm my daughter is not charged with damaging private property, but with writing an anti-war slogan against the war in ukraine.
Now my daughter has been behind bars for over a year and is facing an article "discrediting" the Russian army, which means up to 15 years in prison.

I very much doubt that. I have a friend in Russia who got served with an order to show up for military service, he fled the country, and when he went back he wasn't arrested or anything.

I suspect your daughter did something more than just graffiti. I am aware of the law that you cannot spread disinformation about the Russian army. Perhaps that is why she is in jail, but again, I doubt it.

Given the amount of anti-Russian propaganda, cases like these, if they were common, would be plastered all over Western fake news media.

SINUS wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:34 pm in fact, the situation in russia now is such that any anti-war slogan in any form or criticism of Putin's actions is immediately put behind bars.

This is why I know you are blatantly lying. The leader of the Communist Party, the largest opposition party in Russia, accused the government of election fraud. That guy was never arrested and is still walking the streets.

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