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don't be ridiculous!
it's a p4 lab, how could anything possibly be released?

besides, if it were engineered, you might spot improbable mutations in the sequence
if you analyzed it

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Phnom Poon wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:54 pm don't be ridiculous!
it's a Boeing 737 MAX plane, how could anything possibly be wrong?

besides, if it was wrong, you might spot errors in the design if you analyzed it
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Phnom Poon wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:54 pm don't be ridiculous!
it's a p4 lab, how could anything possibly be released?

besides, if it were engineered, you might spot improbable mutations in the sequence
if you analyzed it
Chinese Netizens and Expert Suspect Wuhan Bioresearch Lab Is the Source of the Coronavirus
Unethical Practices in China’s Labs Exposed

When virologists and medical experts around the globe discussed the suspicious nature of the novel coronavirus and pointed to Wuhan’s P4 lab as a likely source, netizens inside China were watching. A Chinese scholar recently challenged Wuhan’s P4 lab to explain how the proteins of the novel coronavirus seem to have been precisely engineered to enable the virus to bind onto human cells. He also disclosed unethical and unprofessional practices he previously observed in China’s bioresearch labs.

According to Wuhan-based Yangtze Daily, Shi Zhengli, Deputy Director of Wuhan’s P4 Lab, publicized a statement on Feb. 2 saying: “I pledge with my life that the 2019 novel coronavirus has nothing to do with our lab. This virus is a punishment imposed on mankind from nature, to condemn mankind’s uncivilized way of living. Those of you who believe rumors or so-called scientific analysis by unqualified researchers, I advise you to shut your damn mouths!”

Shi’s statement irritated many Chinese netizens. “For such a huge calamity that may take countless lives, give us facts and evidence, not pretentious statements such as pledging with your life,” one netizen commented.

A social media user named Wu Xiaohua, with a Ph.D. in biological related fields according to his WeChat profile, challenged Shi to answer key questions about the suspicious gene mutations found in the new virus.

Wu pointed out there is no way that these mutations are the outcome of natural recombination.

“Now, many scientists, including Shi herself, believe that this virus must have originated from bats, and would involve one or two virus hosts to explain the gene mutations. Based on current scientific publications, the virus must jump from rats to primates before it can infect humans. Then how is this step—from rats to primates—usually achieved? It can only be done in a research lab by scientists inserting a certain protein from primates into rats,” Wu wrote.

“I have personally performed the same type of genetic engineering experiments. You cannot get away by being cavalier. Do you dare to accept the challenge and give us an explanation?” he asked.

Wu also disclosed that some biolabs in China are very poorly regulated.

“For instance, some researchers in these labs kept the laboratory dogs as pets; some disposed of animal carcasses casually because following the biosafety rules and cremating them costs a lot of money. Some cut up the laboratory pigs and took the meat home to eat. I know this happened at Beijing 301 Hospital’s spine surgery lab. Worst of all, some laboratory animals were sold to wet markets as wild-caught animals for profit,” he wrote.

Xu Bo, a well-known IT magnate and billionaire in China, cited reports and articles to support Wu’s statements.

In his blog, Xu cited a news report about a lawsuit against biologist Li Ning.

Li is an academician of China Engineering Academy, and a former professor at China Agricultural University. The judgment in Li’s case, which came out on Jan. 2 this year, stated that between 2008 and 2012, Li’s lab sold experimental pigs, cows, and milk to local markets. These animal and animal products were bought using research funds; but Li and his fellow colleagues pocketed the money, a total of 10,179,201 yuan ($1,460,304), from the sale of these animals and animal products.

Li was sentenced to 12 years in prison for embezzlement.

According to a 2016 report from the China Experimental Animal Information Network, Chinese researchers use tens of millions of laboratory animals every year. The Experimental Animal Research Center of Hubei Province alone handles about 300,000 animals a year, either for bioresearch experiments inside the center, or to be sold and distributed to other labs in Hubei Province.

Xu and many other Chinese netizens say they suspect that the novel coronavirus is a genetically engineered virus that somehow escaped from Wuhan P4 Biosafety lab.

A P4 lab handles level 4 biosafety pathogens, the highest level and most dangerous, which have high fatality rates and no known treatments, such as, the ebola and SARS viruses. Such a lab must follow the highest microbiological safety standards to ensure the safety of researchers and the public.

The P4 lab in Wuhan is not only the first of its kind in China, but also the first in Asia. When it opened in 2017, U.S. scientists expressed concerns that, considering China’s opaque administrative structure, if one of those killer viruses “escaped” from the lab, it could cause a doomsday disaster.
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yikes and this seems more likely with the numbers of Chinese that visit Thailand daily. Before they stopped tour groups and visitors from Wuhan. BUT no deaths so far

New criteria push the number of suspected virus cases to 615
The director-general of the Department of Disease Control (DDC) said on Friday there were 615 people in Thailand suspected of carrying the 2019-nCoV coronavirus. He attributed the rise in suspected cases to updated criteria generating more details and redefining the term “suspected.”

The number of confirmed cases has risen to 32 as of today, 10 of whom have recovered and been discharged, with 22 still being treated in hospital. Of seven new cases confirmed yesterday, one was among the 138 Thais flown home this week from Hubei province in China, where the outbreak began.

Head of the Mental Health Department Kiattiphum Wongrajit said Friday that the returnees were all feeling stress and three showed signs of depression.

“The mental condition of all returnees is being continuously monitored.”

A spokeman for the DDC says an infected Chinese tourist being treated at Rajavithi Hospital in Bangkok has improved, while a 70-year-old Thai bus driver remains on a ventilator because he also has tuberculosis.
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where's that :sarcasm: moji?
bat soup, lol

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Phnom Poon wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:13 pm where's that :sarcasm: moji?
bat soup, lol
Apparently this is it 🙃

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From someone I trust. Just IMHO.
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jah steu wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:31 pm From someone I trust. Just IMHO.
undoubtedly true then
in fact i speculate that the virus only infects han chinese and closely related groups
so everyone else is completely safe
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Phnom Poon wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:40 pm
jah steu wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:31 pm From someone I trust. Just IMHO.
undoubtedly true then
in fact i speculate that the virus only infects han chinese and closely related groups
so everyone else is completely safe
(-:
tell that to the 60year old american that died in Wuhan
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phuketrichard wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:45 pm
Phnom Poon wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:40 pm
jah steu wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:31 pm From someone I trust. Just IMHO.
undoubtedly true then
in fact i speculate that the virus only infects han chinese and closely related groups
so everyone else is completely safe
(-:
tell that to the 60year old american that died in Wuhan

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