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Doc67 wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 2:11 pm
timmydownawell wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 12:16 pm Repatriation flight seats left empty after Australians test postive for COVID-19 in India

About half of the seats on a repatriation flight set to leave India will be left empty after Australians who were supposed to be coming home tested positive for COVID-19.

Key points:
More than 40 people have tested positive, meaning they and their close contacts cannot fly
The first repatriation flight from India after the travel ban is due to arrive in Darwin tomorrow
Officials say pre-flight testing rules means it is difficult to fill the empty seats with other people
The flight had a capacity of just 150 passengers, due to social distancing restrictions, but more than 70 will be unable to fly.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-14/ ... /100140260
Poor sods. They must be distraught.
ikr? Desperate to leave and now can't board the plane. How devastating that would be. I wonder if the government will dare try and play the "See? We were right to block them" card.
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"Repatriation flight seats left empty after Australians test postive for COVID-19 in India."

Quite right too.
Of course the Aus govt is correct to stop 'em coming.
No brainer..
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Railroad wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 3:42 pm "Repatriation flight seats left empty after Australians test postive for COVID-19 in India."

Quite right too.
Of course the Aus govt is correct to stop 'em coming.
No brainer..
I was referring to this policy which they backtracked on:

Australian citizens returning home from India could face up to five years in jail and fines after the government made the journey temporarily illegal.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56953052

Testing and stopping people who are positive is completely understandable.
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This is good news, the lag time on this science taking effect here will be long however...

from: nytimes.com ( with some minor format edits)

May 14, 2021

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By David Leonhardt

Good morning. The C.D.C. responds to scientific evidence and says vaccinated people rarely need masks.


A C.D.C. about-face
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is finally catching up to the science.

For months, research about Covid-19 has pointed to two encouraging patterns. First, the underlying virus that causes Covid rarely spreads outdoors. Second — and even more important — fully vaccinated people are at virtually no risk of serious disease and only a minuscule risk of spreading the virus to others.

But the C.D.C., which has long been a cautious agency, has been unwilling to highlight these facts. It has instead focused on tiny risks — risks that are smaller than those from, say, taking a car trip. The C.D.C.’s intricate list of recommended Covid behavior has baffled many Americans and frightened others, making the guidance less helpful than it might have been.

Yesterday, the agency effectively acknowledged it had fallen behind the scientific evidence: Even though that evidence has not changed in months, the C.D.C. overhauled its guidelines. It said fully vaccinated people could stop wearing masks in most settings, including crowded indoor gatherings.

The change sends a message: Vaccination means the end of the Covid crisis, for individuals and ultimately for society.

If you’re vaccinated, you can safely get together with family and friends, mask-free. You can nuzzle your grandparents or your grandchildren. You can eat in restaurants, go to the movies and attend religious services. You can travel. If you’re vaccinated, Covid joins a long list of small risks that we have long accepted without upending our lives, like riding in a car, taking a swim or exposing ourselves to the common cold.

‘Evidence-based’ and ‘bold’
The announcement also sends a message to the unvaccinated (who, the C.D.C. emphasized, should continue wearing masks in most settings): Life is starting to return to normal, and a vaccine shot is your best protection against a deadly virus. It is also the best way to protect your community and the rest of the world. And the long vaccine waits and difficult sign-up procedures are disappearing in most places.

Some experts praised the announcement. “Good move for the C.D.C. and our country,” Dr. Howard Forman, a Yale School of Medicine professor and former Senate staff member, wrote on Twitter. “They must stop making perfect the enemy of very good. And this is a step in that direction.”

Dr. Uché Blackstock, the C.E.O. of Advancing Health Equity, wrote: “I’m ecstatic about this news! It’s evidence-based and it’s bold. I hope that the updated guidelines incentivize more people to get vaccinated.”

Other experts worried that encouraging vaccinated people not to wear masks might cause unvaccinated people to shed them too — the so-called slippery-slope argument. It is a common concern whenever health authorities lift behavior restrictions. But history suggests it is often overblown. An absolutist message often fails, Julia Marcus of Harvard Medical School has noted, especially when it urges people to take steps that do not actually protect them.

I spoke yesterday afternoon with Senator Susan Collins — the Maine Republican who criticized the C.D.C. during a hearing this week for not hewing to the data — and she argued that the change would lead to safer behavior. “This really matters because if people don’t have confidence in the C.D.C. guidance, if they believe it is driven more by politics than science, then they are likely to disregard the C.D.C. guidelines that we should be following,” Collins said.

Not zero, but normalcy...........
In the months ahead, the Covid risks will not fall to zero, and it is important to remember that. But zero is not a realistic goal, and the freezing of normal life has brought big costs of its own: children who are not learning; parents who cannot return to the work force; businesses that cannot rehire their workers; and millions of people who miss everyday forms of human companionship.

When Covid was raging out of control, these costs were nonetheless smaller than the alternative. With vaccines widely available, that’s no longer the case.

The C.D.C. has not fully shed its caution. It has not withdrawn its exaggeration of outdoor risks for the unvaccinated. And yesterday’s guidance continues to direct vaccinated people to wear masks and remain physically distant in some circumstances.

Some of those exceptions — like nursing homes, hospitals, homeless shelters and prisons — probably make sense. Many people in these settings are vulnerable, and masks can continue to provide protection, from both small Covid risks and other contagious diseases.

The rationale for other exceptions — like airplanes and public transportation, as well as airports and other travel hubs — is less clear, and the C.D.C. did not offer a public explanation for why vaccinated people need a mask on a bus but not in a bar.

But given the unique role that travel has played in spreading the virus, a little extra caution is not beyond comprehension. It will not last forever, either. Yesterday’s about-face showed that while the C.D.C. may be slow, officials there take their mission seriously and do not enjoy being out of step with science.

“This is a watershed moment in the pandemic,” Dr. Lucy McBride, an internist, wrote on Twitter. “Next up: unmasking kids outdoors. Please, C.D.C.??”

For more:

“After a year of hard work and so much sacrifice, the rule is very simple: Get vaccinated, or wear a mask until you do,” President Biden said.
Biden and Republican senators meeting at the White House removed their masks. “Get vaccinated!” said Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia, on a visit to his home state with Jill Biden. “We feel free.”
The C.D.C. offers only guidance; states set many Covid policies, and many are likely to change them in response.
Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida said he would pardon Floridians who had violated mask or social distancing mandates.
Two studies have found that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines protect pregnant women and do not damage the placenta.
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armchairlawyer wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 12:47 pm The state of Goa in India is starting a programme of Ivermectin distribution to all adults, to be used as a preventative of Covid. This could be massively important for countries that cannot yet get enough vaccines.

There has been swift response from the WHO and BigPharma (Merck). They both condemned the move, making highly questionable statements about safety etc.

Merck does not produce a vaccine so presumably they are doing a favour for their fellow companies. It would look a bit too obvious if Pfeizer made the statement.
Or maybe it's just a complete waste. I, for one, welcome this large scale trial though, whatever the outcome will be.
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The best paper I read about Ivermectin so far:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/


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Alex wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:03 pm
armchairlawyer wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 12:47 pm The state of Goa in India is starting a programme of Ivermectin distribution to all adults, to be used as a preventative of Covid. This could be massively important for countries that cannot yet get enough vaccines.

There has been swift response from the WHO and BigPharma (Merck). They both condemned the move, making highly questionable statements about safety etc.

Merck does not produce a vaccine so presumably they are doing a favour for their fellow companies. It would look a bit too obvious if Pfeizer made the statement.
Or maybe it's just a complete waste. I, for one, welcome this large scale trial though, whatever the outcome will be.
First, Merck does not have its own Covid vaccine but it does have a large contract manufacturing agreement to produce the Janssen/J&J vaccine.
Also, perhaps Cambodia already has a large population given ivermectin. In many of the provinces and villages parasites are a significant health risk, especially hookworm in children. Many health centers require semiannual/annual administration of ivermectin to control multiple parasites in the local populations, not just children.
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Indians with Australian citizenship complain of racism after they were barred from returning to Oz

BBC News - Covid: First Australian repatriation flight from India lands in Darwin
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-57126041

They say they had no choice but to go there as relatives were sick and needed money. I guess Western Union doesn't exist in India? AFAIK, many people in Covid times have been prevented from seeing sick relatives.
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armchairlawyer wrote: Sat May 15, 2021 4:17 pm Indians with Australian citizenship complain of racism after they were barred from returning to Oz

BBC News - Covid: First Australian repatriation flight from India lands in Darwin
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-57126041

They say they had no choice but to go there as relatives were sick and needed money. I guess Western Union doesn't exist in India? AFAIK, many people in Covid times have been prevented from seeing sick relatives.
They want immigration and citizenship, but they will always be Indian at heart. But when the shit hits the fan they will be waving that passport around demanding their rights.

India may be the same size economy (now or very soon) as the UK, a fact often lauded to me by my Indian friends in the UK, but get an equivalent NHS and they are bankrupt. Get a social security system and a state guaranteed pension system and they are bankrupt. But they want to put an Indian on the fucking moon.

India is Cambodia on steroids, without any of the fun.
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Alex wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 9:03 pm
armchairlawyer wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 12:47 pm The state of Goa in India is starting a programme of Ivermectin distribution to all adults, to be used as a preventative of Covid. This could be massively important for countries that cannot yet get enough vaccines.

There has been swift response from the WHO and BigPharma (Merck). They both condemned the move, making highly questionable statements about safety etc.

Merck does not produce a vaccine so presumably they are doing a favour for their fellow companies. It would look a bit too obvious if Pfeizer made the statement.
Or maybe it's just a complete waste. I, for one, welcome this large scale trial though, whatever the outcome will be.
Speaking of waste, if ivermectin is not your choice then India is also running another large scale trial.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/people-india ... 54568.html
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