Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by glennb6 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:12 am

clutchcargo wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:14 pm
glennb6 wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:39 pm
Vit C = cheap, inexpensive.

HCQ = cheap, inexpensive.

Vaxes that don't exist = expensive
As the above two posters indicate, you're trolling with this nonsense and it's not helpful to genuine discussion going forward. Suggest you back off or some time off is in order.
clutch, you a forum mod or just recommending censorship and limiting free speech?
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by clutchcargo » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:58 am

glennb6 wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:12 am
clutchcargo wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:14 pm
glennb6 wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:39 pm
Vit C = cheap, inexpensive.

HCQ = cheap, inexpensive.

Vaxes that don't exist = expensive
As the above two posters indicate, you're trolling with this nonsense and it's not helpful to genuine discussion going forward. Suggest you back off or some time off is in order.
clutch, you a forum mod or just recommending censorship and limiting free speech?
Well, as a mod I step in when I think a member is trolling and/or spreading misinformation/nonsense which disrupts or derails discussions.

And I see you just name called a member in the post above so I think it's best you have a few days off.
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by ExPenhMan » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:21 am

Here's a warning about false positives from the US FDA by a machine used around the US and around the world. Interesting. They didn't say what the percentage of false positives was but Connecticut reports 90, which led to the warning and manufacturer's rewrites of software and instructions.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Potential accuracy issues with a widely used coronavirus test could lead to false results for patients, U.S. health officials warned.

The Food and Drug Administration issued the alert Monday [Tuesday here in SEA] to doctors and laboratory technicians using Thermo Fisher’s TaqPath genetic test. Regulators said issues related to laboratory equipment and software used to run the test could lead to inaccuracies. The agency advised technicians to follow updated instructions and software developed by the company to ensure accurate results.

The warning comes nearly a month after Connecticut public health officials first reported that at least 90 people had received false positive results for the coronavirus. Most of those receiving the false results were residents of nursing homes or assisted living facilities.
Thermo Fisher’s test was granted emergency use by the FDA in mid-March.


So, we have a wonky, barely tested apparatus that gives wonky results for FIVE months. Well, what can we say now about the "pandemic"? How bad is it really? We just don't know. But 90 false positives is not a small number.

Fresh off the AP News wire less than an hour ago:

https://apnews.com/520a6d47fd5d847c5046b781e77cd99d
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Post by CEOCambodiaNews » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:30 am

China partygoers cram into Wuhan water park
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17 Aug 2020 07:07PM
(Updated: 17 Aug 2020 07:08PM)
BEIJING: Thousands of partygoers packed out a water park over the weekend in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, where the coronavirus first emerged late last year, keen to party as the city edges back to normal life.

The popular Wuhan Maya Beach Water Park was filled with people frolicking in swimsuits and goggles for an electronic music festival, many perched on rubber dinghies or wading up to their chest in water.

The water park reopened in June after Wuhan gradually opened up after a 76-day lockdown and strict restrictions to try and control the spread of the virus.

The park - which local media says has capped attendance at 50 per cent of normal capacity - is offering half-price discounts for female visitors.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/as ... k-13027922
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Post by Kammekor » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:53 am

ExPenhMan wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:21 am
Here's a warning about false positives from the US FDA by a machine used around the US and around the world. Interesting. They didn't say what the percentage of false positives was but Connecticut reports 90, which led to the warning and manufacturer's rewrites of software and instructions.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Potential accuracy issues with a widely used coronavirus test could lead to false results for patients, U.S. health officials warned.

The Food and Drug Administration issued the alert Monday [Tuesday here in SEA] to doctors and laboratory technicians using Thermo Fisher’s TaqPath genetic test. Regulators said issues related to laboratory equipment and software used to run the test could lead to inaccuracies. The agency advised technicians to follow updated instructions and software developed by the company to ensure accurate results.

The warning comes nearly a month after Connecticut public health officials first reported that at least 90 people had received false positive results for the coronavirus. Most of those receiving the false results were residents of nursing homes or assisted living facilities.
Thermo Fisher’s test was granted emergency use by the FDA in mid-March.


So, we have a wonky, barely tested apparatus that gives wonky results for FIVE months. Well, what can we say now about the "pandemic"? How bad is it really? We just don't know. But 90 false positives is not a small number.

Fresh off the AP News wire less than an hour ago:

https://apnews.com/520a6d47fd5d847c5046b781e77cd99d
Wow, 90 false positives out of five million. This is large, isn't it?
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by ExPenhMan » Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:05 am

Kammekor wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:53 am
ExPenhMan wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:21 am
Here's a warning about false positives from the US FDA by a machine used around the US and around the world. Interesting. They didn't say what the percentage of false positives was but Connecticut reports 90, which led to the warning and manufacturer's rewrites of software and instructions.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Potential accuracy issues with a widely used coronavirus test could lead to false results for patients, U.S. health officials warned.

The Food and Drug Administration issued the alert Monday [Tuesday here in SEA] to doctors and laboratory technicians using Thermo Fisher’s TaqPath genetic test. Regulators said issues related to laboratory equipment and software used to run the test could lead to inaccuracies. The agency advised technicians to follow updated instructions and software developed by the company to ensure accurate results.

The warning comes nearly a month after Connecticut public health officials first reported that at least 90 people had received false positive results for the coronavirus. Most of those receiving the false results were residents of nursing homes or assisted living facilities.
Thermo Fisher’s test was granted emergency use by the FDA in mid-March.


So, we have a wonky, barely tested apparatus that gives wonky results for FIVE months. Well, what can we say now about the "pandemic"? How bad is it really? We just don't know. But 90 false positives is not a small number.

Fresh off the AP News wire less than an hour ago:

https://apnews.com/520a6d47fd5d847c5046b781e77cd99d
Wow, 90 false positives out of five million. This is large, isn't it?
:facepalm: Absurd. It's 90 out of 144 tests.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/h ... tails.html
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by Kammekor » Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:16 am

ExPenhMan wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:05 am
Kammekor wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:53 am
ExPenhMan wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:21 am
Here's a warning about false positives from the US FDA by a machine used around the US and around the world. Interesting. They didn't say what the percentage of false positives was but Connecticut reports 90, which led to the warning and manufacturer's rewrites of software and instructions.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Potential accuracy issues with a widely used coronavirus test could lead to false results for patients, U.S. health officials warned.

The Food and Drug Administration issued the alert Monday [Tuesday here in SEA] to doctors and laboratory technicians using Thermo Fisher’s TaqPath genetic test. Regulators said issues related to laboratory equipment and software used to run the test could lead to inaccuracies. The agency advised technicians to follow updated instructions and software developed by the company to ensure accurate results.

The warning comes nearly a month after Connecticut public health officials first reported that at least 90 people had received false positive results for the coronavirus. Most of those receiving the false results were residents of nursing homes or assisted living facilities.
Thermo Fisher’s test was granted emergency use by the FDA in mid-March.


So, we have a wonky, barely tested apparatus that gives wonky results for FIVE months. Well, what can we say now about the "pandemic"? How bad is it really? We just don't know. But 90 false positives is not a small number.

Fresh off the AP News wire less than an hour ago:

https://apnews.com/520a6d47fd5d847c5046b781e77cd99d
Wow, 90 false positives out of five million. This is large, isn't it?
:facepalm: Absurd. It's 90 out of 144 tests.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/h ... tails.html
Yes, 90 out of one batch of 144 were flawed. So far no reports of more flawed batches. And software and procedures for the test have been updated.
While this is a major mistake by either the lab of the company producing the test, it's not significant when it comes to the number of positive infections.

In fact, out of the 5.000.000 tested positive in the USA I'm pretty sure 1-2% were a false positive, so that's 50-100k persons.

If you want to make a case this virus is insignificant this story of 90 faults in one batch is not going to support your case I'm afraid.
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Post by phuketrichard » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:50 pm

well,not every one is being hurt financially
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by Apollo91881 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:39 pm

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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by clutchcargo » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:44 pm

This article seems topical (my bolding) :mrgreen:

Doctors say they're dealing with significantly more patients who resist their advice because of misinformation they read online

“This is no longer just an anecdotal observation that some individual doctors have made,” Daniel Allington, a senior lecturer at King’s College London told the Times. “This is a statistically significant pattern that we can observe in a large survey.” Allington is also a coauthor of a recent study that found people who got their news online were more likely to believe in conspiracy theories and not follow public health guidelines compared to those who got their news from radio or television.

Some patients have demanded prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine, a medication that the Food and Drug Administration revoked from emergency hospital use for COVID-19 in June after studies found it was not effective against the virus and had potentially dangerous side effects. Last month, clips of a Breitbart video touting misinformation about the coronavirus and hydroxychloroquine quickly went viral on Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, and were retweeted by President Donald Trump and his son Donald Trump Jr.

The Times reported that some people have gone to hospitals to demand doctor’s notes so they don’t have to wear a face mask because they believed online rumours that masks lower their oxygen levels.

Dr. Ryan Stanton, an emergency room physician in Kentucky, told The Times a number of patients waited until it was almost too late to benefit from treatment before going to the hospital with COVID-19 symptoms. The patients, according to Stanton, didn’t believe the coronavirus was a “big deal.” “They thought it was just a ploy, a sham, a conspiracy,” Stanton told The Times. “It just blew my mind that you can put these blinders on and ignore the facts.”

Last week, a study from the American Journal of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene found that at least 800 people died in the first three months of 2020 because of false information that claimed drinking bleach could cure coronavirus. Almost 6,000 people were also hospitalized because of that claim, Business Insider previously reported. Parinda Warikarn, a doctor in New York, told The Times she saw a patient who ingested bleach because he thought it would prevent the virus. “He clearly really believed that he was going to prevent Covid,” she said. “Luckily, his wife and two young children didn’t take this solution.”

Dr. Howard Mell, an emergency room physician in Illinois told The Times that the wife of a patient who died from the novel coronavirus yelled at him for writing COVID-19 on the man’s death certificate and accused him of doing it for profit. “She yelled, ‘We’ve seen online how you guys get more money,'” Mell said.

Mell told The Times he deals with several patients each week who strongly believe false information they read online.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/doct ... ion-2020-8
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