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Re: Thailand Travel Restrictions and Info

Post by Anthony's Weiner » Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:41 am

Smedley wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:27 pm
glennb6 wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:15 pm
Smedley wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:49 pm
Anthony's Weiner wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:55 pm

26,269 45 to 64 year old have died of covid19 inthe USA in the past 6 months. 4,268 19 to 45 have died. Obviously you are either much younger than 19 or have no children or grandchildren nor parents aged d 45 or above. If you are not stepping over bodies on the street it is not real? How about stored in refrigerated trucks, not devastating enough for you? Good luck to you my friend.
Anthony, if you really look into those 4,268 younger deaths, I think you will find that almost all of them had comorbidities like heart disease, cancer, pneumonia, diabetes, obesity, and it's the comorbidities that killed them. The media don't tell you that, of course. They tell you that they died from Covid. They make no distinction between people who died FROM covid or WITH a Covid positive test.
true true.

in the earlier months of reporting in Thailand the newspapers were stating age and if any existing medical conditions existed in those that died of/with CV. Half the reports said 70+ yrs, TB or diabetes, or cancer etc. after a while the reporting changed to just died of CV. Right. I kept pointing out the ridiculously low death numbers regardless, and the typical responses were "oh but it could be worse" "think of the children" "oh thailand is hiding the numbers to not scare off tourists""... of course when I replied what tourists, the borders are closed, the script changes back to oh it could be really bad...

Ya'know, the money and power behind this scam is scary. It cannot be all about vaxing everyone, certainly isn't about health or welfare, or just the politics of some countries. Perhaps one of these days some more of the deep truths will start to be exposed, and I'll wager a donut that much of the conspiracy theory stuff (WEF, UN, CDC, Bill Gates, big pharma, and huge amounts of money) will be shown as fact.
It will never be exposed in the mainstream media (which, by the way, includes most Thailand and Cambodia media). It has already been exposed on alternative news sites, which I hesitate to link to because such links are typically censored by moderators these days.
We used 2017 Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) data (N=444,649) to estimate the proportion of US adults who report comorbidities that suggest heightened risk of complications from COVID-19. Co-morbidities included cardiovascular disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), diabetes, asthma, hypertension, and/or cancer other than skin, based on data from China. Overall 45.4% (95% CI 45.1-45.7) of adults reported any of the 6 comorbidities, increasing from 19.8% (19.1-20.4) for ages 18-29 years to 80.7% (79.5-81.8) for ages 80+ years. State rates ranged from 37.3% (36.2-38.5) in Utah to 58.7% (57.0-60.4) in West Virginia. Rates also varied by race/ethnicity, health insurance status, and employment. Excluded were residents of nursing homes or assisted living facilities. Although almost certainly an underestimate of all adults at risk due to these exclusions, these results should help in estimating healthcare needs for adults with COVID-19 complications living in the community.

Competing Interest Statement
The authors have declared no competing interest.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20043919v1

"The 11-day estimated mean duration of hospital stay for patients who are discharged alive is consistent with observations in China," said in the paper. However, they estimated a 15-day mean duration of stay among non-survivors
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-28/C ... index.html

Hospitalized care for COVID-19 averages $34,662 to $45,683, varying by age
https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/n ... arying-age

1,156 US Navy and Marines contracted Covid aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt.

Who is spreading COVID-19 misinformation and why

Conspiracy theories are not new but social media has allowed people the world over to convene and build fantastical theories. Some of the efforts to spread this misinformation are very well coordinated and cause real world damage

The coronavirus pandemic -- like many crises -- has created the opportunity for scammers to prey upon those who are scared or vulnerable.

President Donald Trump, who has a history of making false statements, is not the only politician who has made unproven claims. But he presents a unique problem when it comes to the spread of inaccurate information. As leader of the world's most powerful democracy, the president possesses an extremely powerful platform and the ability to reach billions of people instantly. Trump has a history of saying things that are untrue or misleading. The president has made unproven, misleading and confusing statements since COVID-19 hit the United States.

Distinct from politicians are "political operatives." Donovan divides them into two groups and both can be sources of false information. The first group functions to push a specific agenda for political purposes and falls into a more traditional definition of a political operative.

The second category of political operatives includes groups of people pushing a specific agenda who are not officially linked to the state or a specific political party, such as anti-vaccine protesters.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/spreading-cov ... d=70615995

45% of Americans have 6 or more comorbidities, not including those in nursing homes or long term care faciities. That means 161,000,000 Americans deaths could be ignored if your thinking is correct. I believe That US service personell tend to be more fit than the average American and yet 20% of the crew contracted Covid 19 aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt. With an average cost of $34,000 to $45,000 in health care expenses per patient, Covid19 is a windfall for some, I agree. I suppose 9/11 was also a windfall for first responders and the construction industry if one is cynical.

The internet, the way tv news has been morphed into opinion instead of fact and the politization of every issue has certainly clouded factual information to the point it is difficult to know who or what to believe. 165,000 dead Americans and a 2 week average of over 1000 deaths a day can be spun many ways. There are some on the forum who refer to Covid19 as a joke or the flu. We are all entitled to our opinion. Goebbels ' opinion of Hitler's final solution may have been affirmative however it does not make it right.
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Re: Thailand Travel Restrictions and Info

Post by chinesetakeaway » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:39 am

glennb6 wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:25 pm
chinesetakeaway wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:22 pm
Dunderhead wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:31 pm
Well as long as you feel safe, that's what matters. As long as your ox isn't getting gored it's ok.
The welfare of the vulnerable must come before others in a pandemic. If you feel they should be ‘sacrificed’ then gather your elderly family members and line them and ,.. then we can see you’re willing to walk the WALK!
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whom are these vulnerable people? If they are at risk then recommend they wear masks, condoms, bunny suits, and stay in their sealed rooms. And note I said recommend and not mandate or force at the point of a gun. Up to them, and if I were old and sick, well me personally I doubt if I'd want to remain quarantined from all others for long.

To scream "granny killer" is a load of virtue signaling control freak socialist bull crap. ASK GRANNY and up to her.
My mate 52 died of Covid with no pre-existing conditions. The local hospital where I’m from is full of Covid patients. Many are not getting treatment for other conditions because of this. Frankly if you want to play games, we should throw you and your mates in a secure camp, no hospitals, masks or anyone who doesn’t want to be there. We’ll give you food everyday and let you out in a year. Then you can play God with your own lives!
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Re: Thailand Travel Restrictions and Info

Post by glennb6 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:28 pm

chinesetakeaway wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:39 am
glennb6 wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:25 pm
chinesetakeaway wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:22 pm
Dunderhead wrote:
Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:31 pm
Well as long as you feel safe, that's what matters. As long as your ox isn't getting gored it's ok.
The welfare of the vulnerable must come before others in a pandemic. If you feel they should be ‘sacrificed’ then gather your elderly family members and line them and ,.. then we can see you’re willing to walk the WALK!
:facepalm:

whom are these vulnerable people? If they are at risk then recommend they wear masks, condoms, bunny suits, and stay in their sealed rooms. And note I said recommend and not mandate or force at the point of a gun. Up to them, and if I were old and sick, well me personally I doubt if I'd want to remain quarantined from all others for long.

To scream "granny killer" is a load of virtue signaling control freak socialist bull crap. ASK GRANNY and up to her.
My mate 52 died of Covid with no pre-existing conditions. The local hospital where I’m from is full of Covid patients. Many are not getting treatment for other conditions because of this. Frankly if you want to play games, we should throw you and your mates in a secure camp, no hospitals, masks or anyone who doesn’t want to be there. We’ll give you food everyday and let you out in a year. Then you can play God with your own lives!
If you are referring to 52 dying of CV alone in Thailand? If so - BS and BS 2X. Bangkok post was in the Feb/Mar/Apr time frame stating otherwise for about half the fatalities.

Again, I don't know where you are from so I can't say otherwise about your local hospitals full, but in the ussa there are plenty of videos circulating of empty hospitals that the media was claiming were 'like a war zone of CV victims'. Empty emergency rooms, no ambulances, quiet waiting rooms. Videos of doctors and nurses saying exactly the same. Covid victims - nope. refer trailers of bodies - fake and a hoax.

Here's the point. From worldometer's figures, since beginning of year shows 764,148 deaths in a world of 7.8 billion people is a 0.0098% death rate, or you could say a 99.99% survival rate. Believe the stated death numbers are 100% CV or don't (I absolutely don't) it still shows ridiculous small fatality rate. Never in history have govt's gone full martial law nuts police state and wrecking their own countries' economies for less that 1/100th of their populations sake.

It makes no sense medically, or for the health and welfare of any of the countries. Therefore if it doesn't make sense then there must be another reason(s).
I get bored posting and showing incidences and proofs of scam after lie after fake after mass propaganda BS - especially to the screaming Karen types who ignore simple math and logic. They (you) are not about helping people, they (you, especially after reading your crap about locking me and my mates in secure camps), but about seeking power and control.

Now me being an expat in Thailand I don't really have a legit say in how the govt here operates, and certainly can't get uppity if I intend to stay. That would not be the case if I were living back in the ussa. And understand this guy, because it is true in the ussa, and I suspect in at least a few other countries that haven't yet gone full on socialist/commie govt, there are enough people who would NEVER allow govt to throw them in 'secure camps'. Should that attempt ever be made, there is a significant portion of the population (and again I can only speak for my home country) that still believes in the Constitutional Amendments and would use 2A to stop any such actions. Or, would die trying.
Never go there.
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Re: Thailand Travel Restrictions and Info

Post by DaveG » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:10 pm

No test..No cases.....


800 nurses in one hospital tested positive..all at work,
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... l-hospital
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Re: Thailand Travel Restrictions and Info

Post by Anchor Moy » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:54 pm

glennb6 wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:15 pm

Ya'know, the money and power behind this scam is scary. It cannot be all about vaxing everyone, certainly isn't about health or welfare, or just the politics of some countries. Perhaps one of these days some more of the deep truths will start to be exposed, and I'll wager a donut that much of the conspiracy theory stuff (WEF, UN, CDC, Bill Gates, big pharma, and huge amounts of money) will be shown as fact.
Unfortunately, a lot of people are going into denial about the covid disease because they would like this whole virus thing to be a hoax and they want it to go away. Just like the poster above and a few others. I get that. It is scary. And it would be reassuring to be able to blame it on SOMEONE (whoever. One of my friends blames the Chinese govt, but it could be anyone really. As above.)

However, for the moment, the most rational response to the pandemic is to stay calm and listen to the health experts - they are not out to get you - and ignore the political posturing.

Sorry, this is not specially to do with Thailand, but the same posters are posting the same old covid denials all over the forum, and their conspiracy theories don't have anything to do with Thailand either.
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Re: Thailand Travel Restrictions and Info

Post by glennb6 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:22 am

Anchor Moy wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:54 pm
glennb6 wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:15 pm

Ya'know, the money and power behind this scam is scary. It cannot be all about vaxing everyone, certainly isn't about health or welfare, or just the politics of some countries. Perhaps one of these days some more of the deep truths will start to be exposed, and I'll wager a donut that much of the conspiracy theory stuff (WEF, UN, CDC, Bill Gates, big pharma, and huge amounts of money) will be shown as fact.
Unfortunately, a lot of people are going into denial about the covid disease because they would like this whole virus thing to be a hoax and they want it to go away. Just like the poster above and a few others. I get that. It is scary. And it would be reassuring to be able to blame it on SOMEONE (whoever. One of my friends blames the Chinese govt, but it could be anyone really. As above.)

However, for the moment, the most rational response to the pandemic is to stay calm and listen to the health experts - they are not out to get you - and ignore the political posturing.

Sorry, this is not specially to do with Thailand, but the same posters are posting the same old covid denials all over the forum, and their conspiracy theories don't have anything to do with Thailand either.
keep drinking the coolaid and believing govt is there to help you... %)
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Post by Kammekor » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:23 am

Anchor Moy wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:54 pm
glennb6 wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:15 pm

Ya'know, the money and power behind this scam is scary. It cannot be all about vaxing everyone, certainly isn't about health or welfare, or just the politics of some countries. Perhaps one of these days some more of the deep truths will start to be exposed, and I'll wager a donut that much of the conspiracy theory stuff (WEF, UN, CDC, Bill Gates, big pharma, and huge amounts of money) will be shown as fact.
Unfortunately, a lot of people are going into denial about the covid disease because they would like this whole virus thing to be a hoax and they want it to go away. Just like the poster above and a few others. I get that. It is scary. And it would be reassuring to be able to blame it on SOMEONE (whoever. One of my friends blames the Chinese govt, but it could be anyone really. As above.)

However, for the moment, the most rational response to the pandemic is to stay calm and listen to the health experts - they are not out to get you - and ignore the political posturing.

Sorry, this is not specially to do with Thailand, but the same posters are posting the same old covid denials all over the forum, and their conspiracy theories don't have anything to do with Thailand either.
I don't know if you're right. I'm no expert, but it seems the 'experts' are using the wrong tools to advise the decision makers. A PCR test is used to detect infection. The PCR tests check for certain molecules which are in the RNA of the virus. It doesn't detect the virus. It doesn't detect a clinical infection.It doesn't detect someone being ill. It doesn't tell if someone is infectious.
Currently in my country about 2% of the tests perfoemd come back positive. But the test itself has a margin of error of 1-2%. So what does it tell us? We know for sure some of those coming back positive are false positives.

From people having some viral RNA in the back of their nose or throat to a pandemic where loads of people get ill and hospitals are overwhelmed is quite a big leap. I don't see the pandemic happening, other than in the numbers of infected people. In my country cases have been going up for well over six weeks now, but hospitalizations remain stable at about 7-8 per day in country with 17 million people. That's virtually nothing. Still the government is considering tightening the rules because they're afraid of 'the second wave'. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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Re: Thailand Travel Restrictions and Info

Post by monomial » Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:37 pm

Anchor Moy wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:54 pm
...Unfortunately, a lot of people are going into denial about the covid disease because they would like this whole virus thing to be a hoax and they want it to go away. Just like the poster above and a few others. I get that. It is scary...
That's the problem isn't it. For rational people, it IS NOT SCARY. It's a disease so benign that most who contract it won't even know they have it. Those that do develop symptoms will likely get over it just by staying at home and riding it out. The vast majority of the very tiny minority of people who actually do get hospitalized will recover just fine. And the number of people who will actually die from it is vanishingly small when viewed in comparison to the 8 billion people on the planet.

It quite simply isn't scary at all. Driving in my car is more terrifying, and I do that every day. I don't cower in fear because I might have an accident. I don't want to have an accident, and I don't want to get sick. But it isn't scary. It is simply a reality of living that needs to be accepted.

Only a very few people such as yourself seem to have an phrenetic desire to perceive this virus as scary.
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by newkidontheblock » Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:57 pm

Some posters won’t believe the virus is bad until they see bodies in the streets.

Bodies in the streets implies there’s no one left to take the bodies and bury them. Everyone alive is sick and dying themselves.

Like during the Khmer Rouge. Everyone who wasn’t dead was starving to death. Or during the Black Death where 30% died and the rest were so weak that the best they could do is put all the dead in mass graves - like tens of thousands in a large pit in Paris.

Total breakdown of society. If that happens, no one will be moaning about not having beers at the bar. They’ll be making deals with demons for an extra day of life.

I never want to see bodies in the streets.
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Re: Following the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak - News and Discussion

Post by Kammekor » Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:28 pm

newkidontheblock wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:57 pm
Some posters won’t believe the virus is bad until they see bodies in the streets.
In the Netherlands (17 million people) the virus is marching on. More people are diagnosed as ‘infected’ every day. Still, only 8 per day on average need hospitalization. 8 per 17 million.

That’s not bodies in the street, that’s scaremongering and mismanagement.
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